[Erenisch] Discussion Thread

[ArtofZar]

The answer is: Yes.
Have you read the parts with Melissa's 48 hour gangrape being livestreamed?
Go back to some of Erenisch's earlier works and you'll find public executions carried out for entertainment.
(I think) Slave Fair 1 ends with a group of female rebels being launched on large fireworks during a public festival and blown to bits (presumably).
One of her works has Maggie and Sherry taken to a nightclub by Pete where there are women being tortured and mutiliated as they have been condemned as rebellious. There are women marked as "single-use" for rape and then killing, the club cleaning up the remains. There are women put to death by drowing in piss etc...
This is a world without limits on depravity.

I don't know about you guys but I personally can't enjoy anything involving death and the BDSM style that I'm into should lead to gratification and enjoyment of atleast one the sides. I know it is fiction but straight up executing someone and filming it seems really extreme to me.

 

[wivers]

I don't know about you guys but I personally can't enjoy anything involving death and the BDSM style that I'm into should lead to gratification and enjoyment of atleast one the sides. I know it is fiction but straight up executing someone and filming it seems really extreme to me.

Yes. Of course in the real world you need consent on both side and aftercare for both the sub and the dom (any respectable dom would feel like shit without it. I don't want to feel like I'm a monster or an abuser, and I'm emotionally attached to anyone I "play" with...)

But even in the Erenischverse, it makes me cringe because
1. It's a lost opportunity for sexyness, since"rewarding" a sub after they've worked hard for it is part of the fun for me (bdsm is all about catharsis for all involved. Or at least it has been so in my experience)
2. Even assuming the "leftover" of the virus makes it so much more girls are born (even "now") than boys, which I'm not certain of, with how much they "waste" female "resources" there is no way the androcratie would be able to "replenish their stocks".
...Unless the sexual slavery states have got some ultra advanced cloning and accelerated ageing programs going on to replace their populations of women (which has been the theory I've been running with personally to make sense of the huge amount of "waste" without adverse consequences)

Besides, the women are clearly the ones who allow the economy to function. even the androcratie should penalize female maiming and "termination", because they are very valuable as workforce, livestock (milk), breeding stock, tools to promote social harmony for the men etc.

But of course, I do undertand how such a fictional world is the "ideal" setting for these more extreme "fetish". I'm just not into it, and even there, it doesn't make sense to allow them even when (in the universe's Androcraties) they cause no moral issues.

 

[glagglakglak]

2. Even assuming the "leftover" of the virus makes it so much more girls are born (even "now") than boys, which I'm not certain of, with how much they "waste" female "resources" there is no way the androcratie would be able to "replenish their stocks".
...Unless the sexual slavery states have got some ultra advanced cloning and accelerated ageing programs going on to replace their populations of women (which has been the theory I've been running with personally to make sense of the huge amount of "waste" without adverse consequences)

Besides, the women are clearly the ones who allow the economy to function. even the androcratie should penalize female maiming and "termination", because they are very valuable as workforce, livestock (milk), breeding stock, tools to promote social harmony for the men etc.

On page 25 of Slavecop 2 there is an "industrial size cunt-farm" where restrained women are kept pregnant by artificial insemination at a density of about 1 per square meter, and it is apparently so large that Lidia can't see the end of it, and she's in an aircraft flying at low altitude above it at the time. If we assume the flying car she's in is just 50 meters up, then she'd be able to see about 25km to the horizon. If it extends in all directions with an average density of about 1 woman per cubic meter, there could be roughly 2 billion pregnant women producing about 1 slave a year at that facility alone. There are occasional mentions of girls being raised until they are 18 at the slave farms before being sold into slavery immediately upon turning 18.

 

[BeBlank]

On page 25 of Slavecop 2 there is an "industrial size cunt-farm" where restrained women are kept pregnant by artificial insemination at a density of about 1 per square meter, and it is apparently so large that Lidia can't see the end of it, and she's in an aircraft flying at low altitude above it at the time. If we assume the flying car she's in is just 50 meters up, then she'd be able to see about 25km to the horizon. If it extends in all directions with an average density of about 1 woman per cubic meter, there could be roughly 2 billion pregnant women producing about 1 slave a year at that facility alone. There are occasional mentions of girls being raised until they are 18 at the slave farms before being sold into slavery immediately upon turning 18.

I LOVE THAT!

 

[Bigman1990]

The answer is: Yes.
Have you read the parts with Melissa's 48 hour gangrape being livestreamed?
Go back to some of Erenisch's earlier works and you'll find public executions carried out for entertainment.
(I think) Slave Fair 1 ends with a group of female rebels being launched on large fireworks during a public festival and blown to bits (presumably).
One of her works has Maggie and Sherry taken to a nightclub by Pete where there are women being tortured and mutiliated as they have been condemned as rebellious. There are women marked as "single-use" for rape and then killing, the club cleaning up the remains. There are women put to death by drowing in piss etc...
This is a world without limits on depravity.

Do you remember which comic in which Maggie and Sherry are taken to the nightclub by Pete?

 

[loki51]

Do you remember which comic in which Maggie and Sherry are taken to the nightclub by Pete?

Birthday Gift Series - #6 Family Reunion

 

[arp]

What's the main reason for putting slavery law in erenisch world ?

 

[Wien1938]

What's the main reason for putting slavery law in erenisch world ?

Probably a narrative device to create a compulsary BDSM story-world.
The 'reasons' are laid out in the comics.

 

[ArtofZar]

Erenisch World is pointing towards reality of The Global Worldwide Birth Rates and The HandMaid's Tale.

there are now Countries considering FORCED PROCREATION!

Countries like China.

there are parts of Erenisch World I would keep (THE FEMALE SLAVERY LAW, THE SLAVE FOOD, PIGS CUM, RAPE, AND MAYBE EVEN RAPEXECUTION OR EVEN HAVING REBILLIOUS CUNTS BLOWN UP LIKE IN THE SLAVE FAIR!).

FORCED PROCREATION is basically FORCED FEMALE SEX SLAVERY!

FORCED PROCREATION due to The Global Worldwide Birth Rates all over the world.

so yes the world are already half way to ERENISCH WORLD.

anyone who does forced procreation is actually retarded, weak as fuck leaders create hard times and then no one wants to have kid in their dystopia, the world elite are the problem.
another point that I find interesting is the disparity in a country between the average rate of male or female childs born is actually related to how smooth is the society is being run by their respective elites, the harsher the conditions more of the conceived kids are going to be male. it might be because of evolutionary mechanism in our genes so we can overthrow our leaders with sheer numbers and bring in an era of stability.

 

[glagglakglak]

I'm not into the "gore" or snuff aspects adult material either, and the Erenischverse sometimes crosses the line for me.

Erenisch actually said in a post in the official forums that they don't actually have any interest in gore or snuff in and of itself, it was more about the degradation of a person's entire life being disposable for someone else's pleasure, or something like that. Unfortunately the Erenisch Comics forum doesn't seem to be up right now, or at least I can't access it for some reason, so I can't link to the post. But it was in a thread about the porn comic author "Dolcette" so if you search for that using the forum's search function when it comes back up, it'll probably be somewhere in there.

 

[BeBlank]

What's the main reason for putting slavery law in erenisch world ?

The Global Worldwide Birth Rates and the economic consequences of that.

this has already been talked about in some of the comics and touched on more and expanded on more especially in FOR RENT.

 

[arp]

The Global Worldwide Birth Rates and the economic consequences of that.

this has already been talked about in some of the comics and touched on more and expanded on more especially in FOR RENT.

Ok I understood

 

[BeBlank]

anyone who does forced procreation is actually retarded, weak as fuck leaders create hard times and then no one wants to have kid in their dystopia, the world elite are the problem.
another point that I find interesting is the disparity in a country between the average rate of male or female childs born is actually related to how smooth is the society is being run by their respective elites, the harsher the conditions more of the conceived kids are going to be male. it might be because of evolutionary mechanism in our genes so we can overthrow our leaders with sheer numbers and bring in an era of stability.

while that is true there is no denying what is happening now all over the world.

to be able to understand what is happening now you have to look at The Global Worldwide Birth Rates.

 

[flowerboy2001]

But even in the Erenischverse, it makes me cringe because
2. Even assuming the "leftover" of the virus makes it so much more girls are born (even "now") than boys, which I'm not certain of, with how much they "waste" female "resources" there is no way the androcratie would be able to "replenish their stocks".
...Unless the sexual slavery states have got some ultra advanced cloning and accelerated ageing programs going on to replace their populations of women (which has been the theory I've been running with personally to make sense of the huge amount of "waste" without adverse consequences)

Besides, the women are clearly the ones who allow the economy to function. even the androcratie should penalize female maiming and "termination", because they are very valuable as workforce, livestock (milk), breeding stock, tools to promote social harmony for the men etc.

This aspect of Erenischverse is really interesting. And as mentioned elsewhere they do farm females. So it’s a huge surplus.

But there are other aspect of this regarding DNA and power structures that’s very interesting.

Female DNA
Is developed through targeted breeding and DNA manipulation. This means females will evolve into several subspecies. Some of these subspecies will be highly intelligent, creative and also attractive and obedient and aimed att being a workforce, not toys. These will be very expensive and protected by their owners and not available for breeding by most men.

Others are just sextoys with limited intelligence no creativity and constantly horny.

Male DNA
Is not developed through targeted breeding nor DNA manipulation, with the exception of very rich men tailoring their male heirs.

Most males will instead be breed with the attractive women who has no intelligense and no creativity.
Also since all males will afford to buy females as sex toys and household slaves on the second hand market it means the stupidest, uncreative, generally usless and ugly men will gets lots of offspring. And these factors taken together will lead to a rather rapid decline in male DNA so that male intelligence and creativity goes down pretty fast in society, as an average at least. There should be an increasing diversity when it comes to male visual attractiveness and male predisposition for either obedience/unrulyness.

Consequenses for the ruling elite
For the rulers this will become a huge problem after 3-4 decades because society will be full of absolutely useless males demanding a lot of resources. And this is easy to forecast so it’s very likely that the ruling elite convince a majority of the male population that this will lead to a situation where male superiority cannot be upheld in the future. And that it’s vitally important to remove some male genes from the future genepool before it contaminates the whole society.

Solutions
There are of course many possible solutions to this but my favorite solution would be if Erenischverse created a new rule mandating all male kids to take an intelligence test upon reaching puberty. If they fail the intelligence test they get castrated and reclassed as b-females and will have the same legal rights as other females. In the beginning the IQ needed to pass the test will be under average. And if the rulers are smart they raise the IQ-bar for males over time because that will allow them to enslave the majority of the male population too.

 

[wivers]

DNA is not passed down from male to male and female to female. Any offspring get about half their DNA from each parent.

If there are any DNA markers that influence intelligence or personality (including creativity), You'd get them from both your parents. And if you can breed intelligent workforce-women, you can then by that same logic "breed" (select for) smart men.
The Androcratie would likely stifle creativity, but mostly because it is a repressive regime (it might be offset by the promotion of creative ways to use females for males, or ways to stay alive for females, but these are narrow parameter for creativity to flourish).
Anyway, the reduction of creativity would be mainly due to societal censorship, not DNA "degeneration" in my opinion, especially given the track record of eugenics in that area.

But as a big-brain enjoyer, I'd agree that if you are gonna do Eugenics (and if it worked like cattle-breeding, even for intelligence), you should bred your sex-toys/breeding stock to be submissive but smart .
Except enthusiastic bimbos are great too, no bimbos would be a tragic loss... And also some dominant alpha females to help manage the others... I guess you can't beat diversity, which is why Eugenics doesn't work in a complex society (but it still makes for nice fictional women subspecies in some demented kinky world).

Also, IQ tests are not foolproof at measuring intelligence. What they measure is how similarly you think to an IQ test manufacturer, or how well you were train to answer "IQ test-like" riddles.

 

[flowerboy2001]

DNA is not passed down from male to male and female to female. Any offspring get about half their DNA from each parent.

If there are any DNA markers that influence intelligence or personality (including creativity), You'd get them from both your parents. And if you can breed intelligent workforce-women, you can then by that same logic "breed" (select for) smart men.
The Androcratie would likely stifle creativity, but mostly because it is a repressive regime (it might be offset by the promotion of creative ways to use females for males, or ways to stay alive for females, but these are narrow parameter for creativity to flourish).
Anyway, the reduction of creativity would be mainly due to societal censorship, not DNA "degeneration" in my opinion, especially given the track record of eugenics in that area.

But as a big-brain enjoyer, I'd agree that if you are gonna do Eugenics (and if it worked like cattle-breeding, even for intelligence), you should bred your sex-toys/breeding stock to be submissive but smart .
Except enthusiastic bimbos are great too, no bimbos would be a tragic loss... And also some dominant alpha females to help manage the others... I guess you can't beat diversity, which is why Eugenics doesn't work in a complex society (but it still makes for nice fictional women subspecies in some demented kinky world).

Also, IQ tests are not foolproof at measuring intelligence. What they measure is how similarly you think to an IQ test manufacturer, or how well you were train to answer "IQ test-like" riddles.

Yes, I know how genetics works. I’m talking about it in the Enerischeverse. Where they actualy do have breeding farms and breed women with specific gene-sets as cattle, or rather as plants Slavecop 2 is the primary source about how they do it.
The thing is that in our ordinary human society there is something called sexual selection at play. And it’s primarily women who decide what men they will have as fathers to their kids. This means that there are some 10% or more of the male population that gets deselected by all women as having to unfavorable genes to be allowed to get kids. And assuming the theory that there is more mutations and a larger diversity in the male populations gene sets is true. Then allowing those 10% of the male population to buy female bimbos and make them pregnant will rather rapidly cause more kids with low intelligence of both genders to be born than it would otherwise. This will lead to a declining average intelligence in the whole population. In the ernischverse it’s not really a problem if the female intelligence goes down ower time, especially since they can selectively breed females with higher intelligence for specific functions if they want to. But free men is the powerbase in society. And if the average intelligence of the male population goes down or if a male subspecies with lower intelligence develops the it’s a huge problem in the erenischverse. You can already see problems in many erenischverse organisations based on really incompetent and stupid men sabotaging the work their competent female slave staff perform. Allowing that to increase will crash the society.

There are stories from dofantasy/erenisch describing a family of men of the type women systematically deselect and who run a breeding farm in the woods where they keep women and breed with them because they can sell the female offspring. That’s what originally gave me the idea so I did some simulations on what effect it would have on the population if that was a wide spread practice. And it’s ugly what it does in the erenischverse. And the ruling male elite doesn’t really have a choice but to do something about it, and it would be political suicide of them to give back sexual power to the women. So they have to remove sexual power from a rather large subset of men. But not so large they get a revolution as a result.

Edit
Maybe I should add that I see erenischverse as an interesting what-if type of science fiction, though I can hardly read it because I find everything going on in it revolting. And I have not once come across a male character in erenischverse I could even partially identify with.

And sorry for causing a disruption in a thread for updates. If mods could move this discussion to it’s own thread it would be great.

 

[BeBlank]

Yes. Of course in the real world you need consent on both side and aftercare for both the sub and the dom (any respectable dom would feel like shit without it. I don't want to feel like I'm a monster or an abuser, and I'm emotionally attached to anyone I "play" with...)

But even in the Erenischverse, it makes me cringe because
1. It's a lost opportunity for sexyness, since"rewarding" a sub after they've worked hard for it is part of the fun for me (bdsm is all about catharsis for all involved. Or at least it has been so in my experience)
2. Even assuming the "leftover" of the virus makes it so much more girls are born (even "now") than boys, which I'm not certain of, with how much they "waste" female "resources" there is no way the androcratie would be able to "replenish their stocks".
...Unless the sexual slavery states have got some ultra advanced cloning and accelerated ageing programs going on to replace their populations of women (which has been the theory I've been running with personally to make sense of the huge amount of "waste" without adverse consequences)

Besides, the women are clearly the ones who allow the economy to function. even the androcratie should penalize female maiming and "termination", because they are very valuable as workforce, livestock (milk), breeding stock, tools to promote social harmony for the men etc.

But of course, I do undertand how such a fictional world is the "ideal" setting for these more extreme "fetish". I'm just not into it, and even there, it doesn't make sense to allow them even when (in the universe's Androcraties) they cause no moral issues.

2. Even assuming the "leftover" of the virus makes it so much more girls are born (even "now") than boys, which I'm not certain of, with how much they "waste" female "resources" there is no way the androcracy would be able to "replenish their stocks".
...Unless the sexual slavery states have got some ultra advanced cloning and accelerated ageing programs going on to replace their populations of women (which has been the theory I've been running with personally to make sense of the huge amount of "waste" without adverse consequences).

2 words ARTIFICIAL WOMBS!

that is already being worked on and this will MOSTLY BENEFIT THE MALE GENDER!

because The Male Gender are the ones with the sperm.

and scientists have had some successes recently in terms of experimenting on mouses to make MORE MALE BABIES WITH MALE CELLS!

they tried with Female cells and FAILED.

and notice in recent months and especially in the last 2 years scientists have started saying Artificial Wombs will replace the cunts.

and now there are cunts crying about AI Girlfriends replacing them and The Manosphere are laughing about it.

 

[nogui]

and now there are cunts crying about AI Girlfriends replacing them and The Manosphere are laughing about it.

No really, bro. Trust me, the manosphere pissing off and bothering robots and "ai" instead would be an early x-mas present to women everywhere.

I really like Erenish art style, but of course, the story is porn, so let's not think too much about it (since it doesn't make much sense on a biological level)... At least it has quite a bit of ongoing story, which is nice.

 

[bakamon]

In the beginning the IQ needed to pass the test will be under average. And if the rulers are smart they raise the IQ-bar for males over time because that will allow them to enslave the majority of the male population too.

You have a huge misunderstanding of IQ. It is measured as a bellcurve in proportion to the population. Unlike Standardized test scores, higher IQ scores does not make a population smarter. Culling people with an IQ of 100 or below means you kill off half the population regardless of their actual intellegence and problem solving skills. This is why schools give out Standardized tests and not IQ tests.

 

[flowerboy2001]

You have a huge misunderstanding of IQ. It is measured as a bellcurve in proportion to the population. Unlike Standardized test scores, higher IQ scores does not make a population smarter. Culling people with an IQ of 100 or below means you kill off half the population regardless of their actual intellegence and problem solving skills. This is why schools give out Standardized tests and not IQ tests.

Well, as a mathematician I’m very familiar with how IQ is measured and what it means if you would create a law like the one I suggested. This whole point is that the effect you describe is entirely intentional, but not obvious to most of the male population at the time the decision is made, In an authoritarian system the ruling elit has no interest in preserving the rights of the people they rule. But they can’t remove them without risking a revolution so they have to slice of a piece at a time. And this is an automated way of accomplishing exactly that.

Look at ancient China or the Turkish Ottoman empire. In both these the emperors where surrounded by slave women and castrated slave men. The few men of the ruling elit will eventually reserve the breeding rights to their own small group of men. And in a science fiction world like erenischverse it would make perfect sense to castrate most of the male population. The whole IQ issue is in the end just an excuse to sell this to the male population.