ChildOfIðunn
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What about Memz3d's Max? She's an AndavaVerse character.
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AffectionOtto
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As far as I know, Andava's only drawn her twice, and never with anyone else from the Andavaverse. It's only other artists (primarily Memz3D, of course) who have put her there, not to mention created her in the first place. So she's pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel . . . but then again, I am approaching that bottom pretty rapidly. Sooo . . . maybe?
Sorry, I'm not making a Twitter account just so I can view one image, which is most likely already posted either here, or on the main Andava thread. If you want to show us something, post the actual image, not a link to it. (Or at least a link to an image-hosting site that allows hotlinking.)Bro is cooking with the best girl
AffectionOtto
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Madeline Zoldak
Official Bio: None
Height: 5'3"
Connections: Andava has drawn her once each with Eva & Lars, and once or twice with Liam. No other known official connections to the Andavaverse.
Known Facts: A character created by Pumpkinsinclair, never seen to wear any color except for the purple spacers in her expanded earlobes.
Theories / Speculations: Has some obvious similarities with Eva, including a mutual interest in the occult. Madeline could quite likely have become Eva's "witch sister" after her separation from Pelo.
Suggestions: Draw more interactions between Madeline & official Andavaverse characters, or at least have her hanging out in the background . . . at a Wicked Brood concert, for example.
Official Bio: None
Height: 5'3"
Connections: Andava has drawn her once each with Eva & Lars, and once or twice with Liam. No other known official connections to the Andavaverse.
Known Facts: A character created by Pumpkinsinclair, never seen to wear any color except for the purple spacers in her expanded earlobes.
Theories / Speculations: Has some obvious similarities with Eva, including a mutual interest in the occult. Madeline could quite likely have become Eva's "witch sister" after her separation from Pelo.
Suggestions: Draw more interactions between Madeline & official Andavaverse characters, or at least have her hanging out in the background . . . at a Wicked Brood concert, for example.
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AffectionOtto
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Roxanne "Roxy" Tibble
Official Bio: None
Height: 5'10"
Connections: What you see is what is known: Pelo x2, Erica, Jacob, Nick, & Liam.
Known Facts: A character created by Pumpkinsinclair, these are the only images of her that Andava has drawn.
Theories / Speculations: The rival high school to Temple Valley is Rose Rock. Maybe Roxy's a student there?
Suggestions: If Andava continues to draw crossover characters created by other artists, it'd be a nice touch to establish them as being from other schools / towns, to explain why they aren't as frequently seen as the "true" residents of Temple Valley / the Andavaverse are.
Official Bio: None
Height: 5'10"
Connections: What you see is what is known: Pelo x2, Erica, Jacob, Nick, & Liam.
Known Facts: A character created by Pumpkinsinclair, these are the only images of her that Andava has drawn.
Theories / Speculations: The rival high school to Temple Valley is Rose Rock. Maybe Roxy's a student there?
Suggestions: If Andava continues to draw crossover characters created by other artists, it'd be a nice touch to establish them as being from other schools / towns, to explain why they aren't as frequently seen as the "true" residents of Temple Valley / the Andavaverse are.
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AffectionOtto
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Rallen Wheeler
Official Bio: None
Connections: None known. The girl in the 4th image is named Akane, of unknown authorship.
Known Facts: A character created by machattack17, Rallen plays baseball for a team other than either Temple Valley's or Rose Rock's school team, as evidenced by the colors in his uniform. These are the only images of him drawn by Andava.
Theories / Speculations: It's quite possible that Rallen is a THS / TVA alumnus, and is now playing for the city's minor league team. This would explain why he's not wearing the school colors, and makes Ester's attendance at a game (in her cheer uniform, no less) more plausible.
Suggestions: Temple Valley (High School or Academy) doesn't seem to have any baseball players of its own . . . maybe make some, or at least mention that a team exists?
Official Bio: None
Connections: None known. The girl in the 4th image is named Akane, of unknown authorship.
Known Facts: A character created by machattack17, Rallen plays baseball for a team other than either Temple Valley's or Rose Rock's school team, as evidenced by the colors in his uniform. These are the only images of him drawn by Andava.
Theories / Speculations: It's quite possible that Rallen is a THS / TVA alumnus, and is now playing for the city's minor league team. This would explain why he's not wearing the school colors, and makes Ester's attendance at a game (in her cheer uniform, no less) more plausible.
Suggestions: Temple Valley (High School or Academy) doesn't seem to have any baseball players of its own . . . maybe make some, or at least mention that a team exists?
AffectionOtto
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"Doc" Leo B. Phall
Official Bio: None
Connections: None
Known Facts: Known only from the following images, he seems to spend a lot of time at the (school? city? hotel?) pool, picking up underage girls. "Doc Leo B. Phall" is an anagram of "bald pool lech".
Theories / Speculations: Probably has alopecia totalis, might be a (the?) Nurse at Trilixia Middle School.
Suggestions:
Official Bio: None
Connections: None
Known Facts: Known only from the following images, he seems to spend a lot of time at the (school? city? hotel?) pool, picking up underage girls. "Doc Leo B. Phall" is an anagram of "bald pool lech".
Theories / Speculations: Probably has alopecia totalis, might be a (the?) Nurse at Trilixia Middle School.
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AffectionOtto
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Sensei Hentai
Official Bio: None
Connections: Darcy's (former?) karate instructor, seen only while she is a loli.
Known Facts: Known only from the following images. Hentai is Japanese for "pervert", as I'm pretty sure we all know.
Theories / Speculations: Darcy is still taking karate lessons through her Lessons Learned days and beyond, but Hentai-san is not visible in those later images, so perhaps he retired.
Suggestions:
Official Bio: None
Connections: Darcy's (former?) karate instructor, seen only while she is a loli.
Known Facts: Known only from the following images. Hentai is Japanese for "pervert", as I'm pretty sure we all know.
Theories / Speculations: Darcy is still taking karate lessons through her Lessons Learned days and beyond, but Hentai-san is not visible in those later images, so perhaps he retired.
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AffectionOtto
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Jimmy
Official Bio: None
Connections: None
Known Facts: Is named after a slang term for condom. Known only from the following images, and the 3rd one might not even be him. Is the personification of the idea that "there is no such thing as an Andavaverse condom that doesn't break—the closest you can get is a condom that hasn't broken yet."
Theories / Speculations:
Suggestions: Sneak him into future comics as a background character, always with condoms on his person. Make him a running gag.
Official Bio: None
Connections: None
Known Facts: Is named after a slang term for condom. Known only from the following images, and the 3rd one might not even be him. Is the personification of the idea that "there is no such thing as an Andavaverse condom that doesn't break—the closest you can get is a condom that hasn't broken yet."
Theories / Speculations:
Suggestions: Sneak him into future comics as a background character, always with condoms on his person. Make him a running gag.
ChildOfIðunn
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Are there any more background character guys, or even background character girls? Or anything else to flesh out, like bands?
AffectionOtto
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I'll be posting one last batch of 6 very minor characters on Sep. 1st, and yes, Max will be among them--although she's dead last, in terms of canonicity: Basically, the strongest argument for her being part of the Andavaverse is that people other than Andava want her to be.
These might not be the last characters I'll ever add to the wiki; there are still a bunch of nameless fuckboys Andava has only drawn once, and whom I've therefore decided clearly don't meet my criteria. But if he (someday) chooses to draw them a couple more times, then I'll probably give them a name & an entry. I think the only instance of an unidentified girl / woman is the (presumable) executive upon whom Megan is once seen performing cunnilingus. Everything else, like Bloodpool from the Crown, is more easily mentioned in entries for other people or places, than deserving of an entry unto itself.
Cassie does watch (and make) horror films, yes, but it's also stated that she loves serial killers (she even sewed a patch of one of them onto her jeans), so I'm willing to bet that those horror films are more of the Slasher / Torture sort than the Alien / Monster flavor. So while she might be okay playing along with things like nonhuman pregnancy for the sake of satisfying her partner (I can't really picture her saying "No" to much, can you?), I think sexual kinks like cutting, bloodplay, and scarification might be more her speed.
He didn't do Brianna this year, but he did do Lily, in a skimpy "America, Fuck Yeah" outfit, getting her ass reamed over a crate of fireworks. That's variety. But yeah, Halloween. I've suggested in either Brianna's or Lily's entry that the sisters go as Morrigan & Lilith Aensland, from the Darkstalker games. And, ideally, he should present them under both labels: Fully dressed (or as fully dressed as succubi get, anyway) in the Andava category, and then as the night goes on & bits of their costumes keep coming off, they cross over to the LilAndy side. It's just good business sense to expose all of your good characters to both of your customer pools.
Except Jacob, the only faithful character in this free-for-all flesh fair. Who knows, if our artist does give various Andava characters some LilAndy-ish kinks, it would seem consistent to put Jacob in a chastity cage, with the key naturally held by Erica.
marcusdom
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Ok I didn't know we could cross quote/reply in different threads lol. I'll just respond here since some people get to seem pissy when we talk about Andava instead of posting art on the other one.
Again, this is all just me trying to come up with some maybe one or two page comics that add variety to Andava's work beyond "teens having vanilla maybe anal sex". This would also all be a lot easier if we had some more god damn Claudia art. She's a vampire, just throw in werewolves with big red dog dicks or some horny rapey ghosts, and that's sticking to classic movie monsters can easily cover a wide slew of kinks and fetishes if we go beyond that like the aforementioned face huggers.
And Andava is slightly going down the same path. I would personally say do whatever he is commissioned to do because he has a responsbility to people paying him of course, but after that whatever he puts out for free should be two, maybe three images at most where he shows off some high quality, details, and creativity, as a sort of way to advertise what he is capable of and why you should pay him.
Jesus really? I think it might be worse then if that's a professional choice. God bless the artist that actually put the page number IN the damn image itself.
How did I not notice earlier the sign saying Bitch Face? And man why would he cover that up? Why add details like that only to then hide it? I'm also curious whats with the brunette being replaced with a blonde right under that panel. Idk the man made some weird seemingly pointless changes, like I'm now noticing page 10 Cassies speech bubbles no longer have a drop shadow. I mean....why?
It still feels like the shape changed a bit too drastically or just seems very different from other images of Cassie (which looking through them now she doesn't exactly have a consistent breast shape). I don't know why but the phrase "bags of sand" comes to my mind, kind of a vague way to explain my point but it's just a feeling he kind of went off model a bit in this comic towards the end (the different face for Alexis on page 1 also feels very off. I want to say its the lips mostly).
Oh I don't want it to be a fever dream that's a lame cop out ("it was all a dream" is always one of the worst tropes in media), it's just my lack of faith in Andava following through with anything. Also I kind of have my own somewhat basic interpretation of the Darcy pages. My idea would be "the camera lens, the phone vibrating, close up on Darcy's eyes, and then the wide shot of Darcy in bed with the phone vibrating". My theory is they somehow accidentally recorded and texted their sex session to someone and it's revealed to be Darcy.
Ah sorry about that. Hard agree it would be easier to just say "Andava is vanilla, LilAndy is hard core tags" but if I had to guess why he doesn't it's probably because he already locked himself in to the age thing and is afraid breaking out might hurt his subscriber count. Kind of the same way people on youtube become dedicated to one subject matter like Fortnite and as soon as they try to expand to more variety it kills their channel. "I visit LilAndy for the lolis and shotas, I didn't pay for this tentacle/gore/vore/whatever shit". He might have backed himself in to a corner here and a third account (I mean besides the Icaro one he never seems to use) might be to much at this point.
Wait you're right, I stand corrected. Just found the Ceci one. Though ultimately my point was some ideas or other porn tags that could add variety and spice up Andava's work without going to far in to the weird kink stuff that he may not like.
Yeah maybe I read too much in to it. I somewhat classified it as cheating just because of Darcy's reaction to seeing them and seeming upset about it as well as Brandon seeming a bit, what's the right word, guilty? Like he seems to know he got caught doing something he shouldn't be.
I mean slasher/gore and monster movies aren't mutually exclusive, and again it was more me brainstorming different ideas and scenarios Andava could be doing (I like trying to be creative especially when you have specific restraints like "work within these established characters and settings"). My immediate thoughts for slasher related ones then (and purposefully avoiding gore because I assume Andava is against it, otherwise the skys the limit on Cassie slasher gore images) are A) anything Freddy Krueger I mean for fuck sake it's a dream based villain so anything is feasible, and B) maybe some SAW scenario where say Cassie is bound to some sex machine and has to refrain from having an orgasm or her DM's get leaked or something silly. Or maybe the trope of being bound and gagged with vibrators on/in her while inside of a locker in the boys locker room. That one doesn't even have to be a fantasy, it could just be Cassie pretending to film some erotic slasher movie (maybe Darcy dressed up as Billy the Puppet from SAW) when it's really just an excuse for her to be a horny pervert in public.
Again, this is all just me trying to come up with some maybe one or two page comics that add variety to Andava's work beyond "teens having vanilla maybe anal sex". This would also all be a lot easier if we had some more god damn Claudia art. She's a vampire, just throw in werewolves with big red dog dicks or some horny rapey ghosts, and that's sticking to classic movie monsters can easily cover a wide slew of kinks and fetishes if we go beyond that like the aforementioned face huggers.
Meh, I feel like that still isn't too different (oh look, more anal). Missed the chance to be a little cheeky with it too where the non-cum version the firework is still shooting up in to the air and with the cum version thats when the firework actually explodes. Agree though the Morrigan and Lilith costumes would be interesting and different, though I have the feeling we are never going to see the lolis or shotas ever cross over in to regular Andava, probably because as always fear of payment providers and also because loli lately has become the latest hot button culture war nonsense battleground and nobody wants to deal with that shit, so it's just easier to keep Lily and such segragated to the LilAndy name.
Somehow that moron is the faithful one. Storywise I could see her caging him, maybe if he was showing signs of being unfaithful for once, but porn wise its usually the femboys like Alexis that get caged.
Man I think thats the biggest problem, he's become quantity over quality. A few years back I spent some time on f95 getting art from "pinup artists" and after sifting through like a quarter of a terabyte of images I realized they were all fucking boring. Thousands of high resolution images of the exact same characters (oh look, Dva and Ahri, AGAIN) in the exact same poses with only minimal facial changes between the 50 or so images they put out every single month. Sure it's a ton of art each month, but man whoever bitches about AI hasn't seen how much slop a pinup artist puts out.
And Andava is slightly going down the same path. I would personally say do whatever he is commissioned to do because he has a responsbility to people paying him of course, but after that whatever he puts out for free should be two, maybe three images at most where he shows off some high quality, details, and creativity, as a sort of way to advertise what he is capable of and why you should pay him.
AffectionOtto
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He's most likely planning some sort of Erica tantrum episode. Her bio states that she thinks Darcy "is full of crap because of Darcy's articles in the school newspaper," and quite naturally a huge official banner blatantly calling her a bitch face in front of the whole school would make her go ballistic. And while I do kinda like the idea, I can also understand Andava changing his mind, as it's not very realistic: How the heck would one go about both printing and displaying such an obviously offensive banner, without anybody objecting to, or indeed even noticing, how inappropriate it is? Sure, it's a funny background gag for those who manage to spot it, but it also breaks credulity. If Andava does go down this Erica plotline, he should be more realistic about it--like hundreds of "bitch face" signs printed on regular sheets of paper & stuck to the walls, or something.
Well, the recording was almost certainly deliberate, initiated by either Cassie or Darcy. But yes, the transmission could have been accidental. But the problem with going "camera lens" - "Darcy's phone" in rapid succession is that, if both of their phones are ringing, then who's doing the calling? On the other hand, I notice that when Darcy's phone is ringing, it goes "TZZ TZZ". In the camera-lens image, we see "TZZ TZZ" and "TZZ TZZ", in two different shades of fuschia. Is the darker one an echo? Or are we "hearing" two different phones ringing? Cassie's phone used a different ringtone ("BZZZ BZZZ") when Alexis texted her. Is Darcy texting / calling Cassie & Alexis simultaneously? Is a fourth party calling all three of them?
Huh. I guess that makes sense, although as long as a) the new material isn't too extreme, and b) he still continues to produce about the same levels of the old stuff, I doubt anyone would object.
Absolutely. *I'm* not interested in seeing any hardcore BDSM, or scat porn, or non-consent, or anything of that nature either. Another poster (maybe it was you) said that that's one of the reasons why they like Andava, is that he doesn't go in for that extreme shit (with the bestiality and incest being the big exceptions), and I couldn't agree more. I just think that It really doesn't make sense for the children of a town to be debauched sex maniacs, while their elders (by just a few years, in most cases) are unimaginative Puritans by comparison. For a lot of the adults, their biggest kink is that they have sex with the kids who corrupted them. Charge those children with Contributing to the Delinquency of a Major.
So, yes, I think a lot of the adults / high-schoolers should have some kind of fetishes. Keep about 20-25% of them vanilla if you want, that's realistic, but different characters should have different personalities, and sexual interests are a BIG part of that. Brianna & Na-Na should not be interchangeable. There should be meaningful differences between Brandon & Liam. Ester should like some things that Darcy doesn't, and vice versa. Just, keep the fetishes mild (under the Andava label, at least), and in tune with established character traits, as much as possible. Just as chastity / cuckolding is a good fit for what we know about Jacob, it seems that Erica gets off on recording porn of herself--judging by how often she's appeared on other people's phones. Also, there's got to be at least one foot fetishist in there; the girls weren't giving all those footjobs to nobody, after all. Meanwhile, "abasiophilia" is the sexual attraction to physical disability, and the attendant medical devices of casts / crutches / wheelchairs / etc.--technically, the term means attraction to other people who have disabilities, but thanks to "erotic target identity inversion", some people can get aroused by being handicapped themselves. There are plenty of weird fetishes (that I consider to be) no more extreme than, say, Alexis's transvestism, or Cassie's puppy play, or Mr. Hiscock having an affair with one of his own students, or Claudia literally biting a guy's dick hard enough to leave a scar, or Nick & Jeremy "roleplaying" an abusive rape . . . none of which appeared under the LilAndy label, by the way.
I read that as Brandon seeing that he has inadvertently (helped to) hurt Darcy, and he feels bad about it. (Ester, meanwhile, was clearly reveling in Darcy's shock / disappointment / heartbreak / anguish.) So he doesn't feel that he got caught doing something morally wrong, such as breaking a promise of fidelity (because there wasn't one), but he regrets Darcy's hurt feelings all the same. And since there are two pictures of Darcy with Brandon at a school dance, evidently she "forgave" him for "cheating" on her at some point. (Unless both of those images were just fantasies on her part. I doubt the school photographer would allow students to creampie each other right in front of him . . . but then again, this is the Andavaverse.)
Come to think of it, I might actually like to see the graphic aftermath of some brutal, gory violence . . . and then we immediately find out that it's the special effects for Cassie's next horror movie.
I can see Andava doing that . . . but, again, I think it's a mistake. Splitting the town's population by age makes it seem like two unconnected worlds. All of the characters fully deserve to exist in both halves of the Andavaverse, and the kids can fall under the Andava label as long as they only appear in images "rated" PG-13 or lower. That's better than pretending that all the children in Temple Valley are kept in a special part of town that requires you to pay for a separate account to visit.
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marcusdom
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That makes sense. And only a week or two ago I would be more inclined to agree but after that story of the school district handing out some very badly AI generated school planners (never knew "Venecky" was a state) I don't know, I think I can believe a school being incompetent/lazy/retarded enough to let something like that banner slip by. We live in the era of NotTheOnion/Reverse Poes Law oddly enough. Or I suppose another reasonable explanation is she found a way to have the banner made and hung herself, maybe overnight when the school is empty.
My immediate assumption was just the "tzz" sound is entirely Darcy's phone and Andava was just being a bit stylistic (AI tells me its called a "Sound Bridge").
Unlikely to be me, I actually do like a wide array of fetishes including some extreme stuff and what I don't like I just gloss over when browsing online (surprisingly for as big a Claudia fan as I am I don't like blood, at least not sexually). It's actually a small list of things I strongly object to, usually in relation to real world social politics. But anyway I agree it would be a great way to both add some content and further establish some of the characters and their personalities, but in the end its Andavas decision and it seems like he's choosing to play it very safe with the main account.
Or idk, the kids are crazy because tik tok brain rot? They put chemicals in the water that make the friggin kids sluts? We already have porn logic established, might as well try internet meme/comedy logic.
Ok yeah that does seem a possible way to read it as well. I'll probably go with that one since there isn't much evidence supporting them being a couple.
Fully agree, don't really have much to add except in the end its all up to Andava on what to do.
AffectionOtto
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Oliver
Official Bio: None. I named him Oliver after his vaguely olive complexion, and the fact that the Andavaverse lacks any O names.
Connections: What you see is what you get.
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Official Bio: None. I named him Oliver after his vaguely olive complexion, and the fact that the Andavaverse lacks any O names.
Connections: What you see is what you get.
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AffectionOtto
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Moe
Official Bio: He reminds me of the bully from Calvin & Hobbes.
Connections: Observe, and information shall be revealed.
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Official Bio: He reminds me of the bully from Calvin & Hobbes.
Connections: Observe, and information shall be revealed.
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AffectionOtto
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Tony
Official Bio: He reminds me of the mascot for Kellogg's Frosted Flakes.
Connections: You're lookin' at 'em.
Known Facts: Plays football for Rose Rock.
Theories / Speculations: Maybe he & Brandon made a bet that whoever's team lost the game, had to provide a cheerleader for them both to fuck.
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Official Bio: He reminds me of the mascot for Kellogg's Frosted Flakes.
Connections: You're lookin' at 'em.
Known Facts: Plays football for Rose Rock.
Theories / Speculations: Maybe he & Brandon made a bet that whoever's team lost the game, had to provide a cheerleader for them both to fuck.
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AffectionOtto
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Nicky Chen
Official Bio:
Height: 5'5"
Connections: Andava & PumpkinSinclair have drawn her with Ester, one time each (in fact, both pictures show the exact same scene). That's all the Andavaverse connection she has.
Known Facts: A PumpkinSinclair character, she's also crossed over into the Gardnerverse. Usually depicted in vaguely athletic wear, she appears to run track or something. Which is another similarity with Ester.
Theories / Speculations: One picture of her (drawn by PumpkinSinclair, so not shown here) has her wearing a mascot costume, of some type of bird. The costume has a substantial amount of blue & yellow . . . but also brown. Could this mascot be the THS Thunderhawk?
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Height: 5'5"
Connections: Andava & PumpkinSinclair have drawn her with Ester, one time each (in fact, both pictures show the exact same scene). That's all the Andavaverse connection she has.
Known Facts: A PumpkinSinclair character, she's also crossed over into the Gardnerverse. Usually depicted in vaguely athletic wear, she appears to run track or something. Which is another similarity with Ester.
Theories / Speculations: One picture of her (drawn by PumpkinSinclair, so not shown here) has her wearing a mascot costume, of some type of bird. The costume has a substantial amount of blue & yellow . . . but also brown. Could this mascot be the THS Thunderhawk?
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AffectionOtto
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Pierce
Official Bio: Named after his piercings. How wonderfully prescient of his parents.
Connections: Look at the pictures.
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Suggestions: We've never seen a character with genital piercings.
Official Bio: Named after his piercings. How wonderfully prescient of his parents.
Connections: Look at the pictures.
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Suggestions: We've never seen a character with genital piercings.
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AffectionOtto
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Max
Official Bio: None known.
Connections: None at all. She's part of the Andavaverse only in the sense that artists other than Andava have depicted her there, usually with (or at least near) Darcy.
Known Facts: A character created by Memz3D. Wears black-rimmed glasses most of the time.
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Suggestions: This character would be better if she had literally ANY traits at all . . . but that ain't Andava's job, as he's not the creator. Nor is it ours, as we have nothing to work with. At the moment, she's a Darcy clone, down to the mole / birthmark under her left eye.
Official Bio: None known.
Connections: None at all. She's part of the Andavaverse only in the sense that artists other than Andava have depicted her there, usually with (or at least near) Darcy.
Known Facts: A character created by Memz3D. Wears black-rimmed glasses most of the time.
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Suggestions: This character would be better if she had literally ANY traits at all . . . but that ain't Andava's job, as he's not the creator. Nor is it ours, as we have nothing to work with. At the moment, she's a Darcy clone, down to the mole / birthmark under her left eye.