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Now seeing the full set with the added Darcy pages, i dont really understand them. The first sure, Alexis calles her to ask where she is, just for her to wake up in her ill state. But what does the eye and the phone zoom mean? Having it connected to the camera feels weird beacuse it is 14/5 pages later where we get to see it.
Skylar's got that more than covered, of course, although it does seem very backward to me that all of the more hardcore perversions are strictly limited to the LilAndy label, the supposedly more "adult" side is squeaky-clean by comparison . . . there's not even any cheating (at least, none that anyone objects to).
Thats what i mean. He pretty much keeps the forbidden or "illegal" stuff for Lilandy while the "normal" one stays at Andava. Thats why the theme of Cassie with a dog (wich i could see her definetly do) would fit more to Lilandy than Andava even if it would be a first to have an adult character only there.
Or any of the other ten or so official characters who have never even spoken a single word.
I see where you come from and if side characters like him would work to have a more plot relevant story, why not.

It's purely my gut feeling but it seems like Andava is just starting to get plain lazy. The dump of images with no page numbers and random edits make it feels like he just wanted to get this comic done with and threw everything out there, and again this months Erica picture looks awful to me. I actually see an image every month now that looks bad, I think a month or two ago it was a Na-Na one that looked off model on the face.
To be fair, the amount Andava keeps pushing out each month is alot. Together with Lilandy there are 20 drawings this month + the comic pages. Sucks if one image looks a bit wonky when its someones favorite character of curse but

You want something weird and crazy? How about Cassie fantasizing (maybe while masturbating with one of those ovipositor dildos) about an "Aliens" facehugger attached to her (either the traditional face one or the r34 "ass hugger") pumping her full of eggs? She likes horror movies so the Aliens reference is appropriate, she's a freaky one so she's probably thought about it, and "oviposition" and "egg laying" are tags that exist and would spice things up.
I like this idea. It would fit her definetly.

Also we did (again way back) get cheating once with a mini-comic with Ester and Darcy. But really in general it's hard to have cheating when every single character treats life like one big open orgy.
I think this wasnt cheating. They had a one evening stand just Darcy thought this becomes a regular thing and she got disspointed but nothing was offical.
 
How is everyone feeling about the differences between versions? What's your favorite page or moments in the comic?

I do like Page 1b, but it doesn't feel too consistent with the rest of the art. Alexis looks almost caricaturesquely (if it ain't a word, it is now) girly. Also original page 1 implies that Alexis tries to present a bit more masculine, which I prefer.

I'd also like to bring everyones attention to page 36 as Alexis suddenly has some serious eyeshadow going on, similar to the increased eyeshadow in page 1b. I think Alexis IS wearing makeup, judging from other panels, looks like eyeliner and just a bit of eyeshadow. The eyeshadow is slight and it kinda comes an goes from panel to panel, but page 36 is full on smokey eye.

Page 4 vs 4b?
Creepy Cassie vs just Cassie, creeped-out apprehension vs boring cordiality. I do not like this change.

Page 7, page 9: Alexith vs Alexi'?
I personally prefer Alexi', which probably sounds like 'Alexeh'. Feels cuter to me and not as close to Looney Tunes Sylverster. Is the first use of Alexith to establish Cassie's speech quirk and to communicate that Alexi' is not pronounced as Alexee? Because I think Cassie keeps using Alexi' from that point on. But in the page 4 changes, Cassie types Alexi~~~, so does she call him Alexee?

Page 11, page 11b:
I'm sorry what? Did Andava just change Nick from he to they??? Exfuckingscuse me?
Huh, it seems like the changes on page 10 made it so that Cassie does not know about the breakup. So...Alexis' non-heterosexuality is not public knowledge and it looks like he wants to hide it. But if you start using they, the cats already out of the bag so ????.

Changes to pages 4 and 10-11 mean that Cassie is now no longer an actual creep, just a creep in appearance (which Alexis and probably no one else in the Andavaverse will actually acknowledge). Previous version seems to imply that Cassie snoops on people. Also Cassie is now a new member to the journalism club and does not mention Darcy, instead we get "Vanguard". What exactly does that mean? Implies the journalism club is a really big thing in school? Just use "prez" or something, president of the journalism club. Or is Darcy not the pres, I dunno. I just don't understand the change. Mentioning Cassie's "talenths" now makes less sense is you don't acknowledge she is a creep and snoops on people.

How about page 24/24b?
I like "ugly donkey faced bitch" and I do not like her comparing herself to Nick. UDFB implies that maybe Cassie has been bullied in the past. Also the insult does fit her (I love her).

Waaaaait a minute. In the b series changes, as previously mentioned, Alexis withholds mentioning who is involved in his breakup and it has been changed that Cassie does not mention that she knows. But THEN page 24b Cassie SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS NICK. Obviously there is no change to Alexis reacting to Cassie somehow knowing and has found out his secret because those would be full redraws and probably added pages. What are these changes man.

Page 43
Cassie somehow knows Darcy works herself to death a lot and that she'll be fine. So is she new to the club or not?

Page 45
"Them" is mentioned again, original version, there's no alternate b version. So does this mean Nick is noncis?

I have relationships with women. And sex with Alexis.
I got news for you Nick. That means you're they.


And what's with the camera lens to Darcy is sick narrative? Is this her fever dream? Is there actually a live stream of this happening? Did Cassie or someone record the fuck sesh? Did someone send the vid to Darcy?

Sidenotes:
Andava is inconsistent with Cassie's chipped nailpolish.
Personal gripes:
No mention from Alexis of Cassie's tongue and nipple piercings. I feel that narratively mentioning these things makes them more special.
I like Alexis' foreskin. It would be nice to see it more often. Imagine if Cassie fished around underneath with her tongue piercing.
Would like to have seen more of Cassie's aggressiveness. We got her shoving Alexis to her fingering Alexis without asking (or is consent of anal fingering understood when consent of rimming is given?) Would have been nice to see some other things inbetween those two events, like Cassie kissing Alexis too hard, Cassie putting fingers in his mouth, biting him. An interesting relationship where Cassie comes on too strong (which is narratively established that she is) and Alexis has to constantly rein her in.

Aspirations:
If Darcy is mentioned, would be real nice to see a threesome between them.

Imagine a threesome between Alexis, Cassie and Nick. Goddamn I'd love to see Alexis in a MMF sandwich. And Cassie getting DP'd, DVP'd, double blowjob. Alexis getting hit with a post vaginal creampie facial while gettined 69'd by Cass. Or since we got the "I'll take care of that later. We will." maybe Nick can be sexually destroyed by an Alexis Cassie 2v1. Anyways Dross just put one out and it was fucking amazing. MfMF (Male femboy Male Female) isn't done enough imo.

My personal favorite panels:
I like sad Cass, pages 22-23. And I seriously like page 33. Really shows Cassie is a bit of an uggo. But the 3 repeating panels is so so intimate, I love it. Cassie's face turns from pleasure to her really looking at Alexis GIWTWM. I love it when tits hang like that, especially we can see the motion as well. I wish Andava would draw motion like that more often, but I suppose it isn't easy (laziness accusations aside). I also love Alexis' near-cum face. He's seriously getting milked, by Cass' pussy. What a waste to go from that to page 34 straight to narrative breaking meme faces. Would have much prefered at least one more panel of Alexis' face of restrained pleasure and maybe Cass could have continued her dominant physical tendencies and gripped Alexis to stop him from cumming. Oh well.


huh sad cass.png AIGEFY 33.jpg
 
might be an unpopular opinion, but kinda wish andava draw alt versions of hymen break (v blood). The only one I saw form him was the one of Turning Red and dont know how the reception of it went
 
It's purely my gut feeling but it seems like Andava is just starting to get plain lazy. The dump of images with no page numbers and random edits make it feels like he just wanted to get this comic done with and threw everything out there, and again this months Erica picture looks awful to me. . . . And Raptor is right the shape of Cassie's breast became more "banana" for one panel randomly.
To be fair, none of Andava's comics have had page numbers, and the alternate versions of the images is just something that happens when you try to retcon your entire body of work, in the middle of adding to your body of work. Thank Jebus I'd already decided that whatever is canon for Andava doesn't have to be canon for me, otherwise I'd be tying myself in knots trying to iron out contradictions. So I'd place the blame more on Andava's professional choices, not laziness.
Speaking of Erica, did you catch the detail that got covered up when Andava moved the title on Page 1?
As for Cassie's boobs, I thought it was well known that hers are rather less firm & perky than those of most of the other Andavaverse girls her age, so there's bound to be some changes in shape . . . especially when she's bouncing around, or lifting / squeezing them with her hands.

Previously I would say I think Cassie is recording it for herself to watch again because girl is a bit of a freak, maybe even wants to edit the footage to make some sort of home movie. Now however with my feeling Andava is getting lazy I am willing to believe that it's just a Darcy fever dream and this never happened.
I was much the same. I said, "We already know that Cassie makes movies, and she's into Alexis. One of the most common kinks is making one's own porn, so of course Cassie's going to be recording herself banging someone (and probably without telling them about it), what took her so long?"
But then I saw the Darcy pages. The first page was just acknowledging that Alexis called her, and also repurposes an old image--he's watering down some of the edgier parts of the Andavaverse, and changing "Darcy gets a horrible idea about how to solve her Eva problem" into "Darcy wakes up, feverish but still morally pure" would fall right into that line. And if that had been the only Darcy image, my reasoning would have stopped there . . . but then he added two more. He's up to something. Believe this is all a fever dream if you wish, but I don't see Andava burning 48 pages and over 2 years on events that didn't happen. It's plausible that the Darcy pages might just be a red herring, but I think it's more likely that she's actually doing something, however minimal, that affects the story--either how this comic is interpreted, or something that will be paid off in a future comic. As for what's happening currently, here's how I see it: (continue)

Now seeing the full set with the added Darcy pages, i dont really understand them. The first sure, Alexis calles her to ask where she is, just for her to wake up in her ill state. But what does the eye and the phone zoom mean? Having it connected to the camera feels weird beacuse it is 14/5 pages later where we get to see it.
Page 9: Alexis's call wakes Darcy out of a fever dream. She could have been dreaming about anything, she's literally in an altered mental state. Maybe it was about her saving the day, through her power of omniscience, letting her blackmail the bad guys and/or see evidence of a crime.
Page 18: Darcy realizes that she actually has this power in real life, kind of, ever since they made the Journalism class's digital camera a shared device that can be operated remotely, and paired it with her phone.
Page 27: She wonders just how close to the camera she needs to be to control it--does she have to be nearby, or can she be far away? She decides to test it--her phone is right next to her, after all.
Granted, this theory of mine isn't perfect--for instance, why is her phone ringing on Page 27? Is it just a delayed notification that she missed a call? In which case, she'd be more likely to be distracted and call Alexis back, rather than maintain her train of thought & keep activating the camera. (Unless she just doesn't feel like talking to him at the moment, that is.) But, again, she's feverish, so who knows how her mind is working at the moment. Either way, the extra pages are positioned well before we see the camera because they have to be, if Darcy is the one who turned it on.
Ironically, the placement of the Darcy pages isn't supposed to be perfect--the pages themselves are (most likely) supposed to be a flaw, an unnecessary distraction that interrupts the main action between Cassie & Alexis. They're meant to create a nagging doubt, the sensation that something isn't right. "Why do we keep cutting away to Darcy? She's not even doing anything!" But maybe her phone ringing is to help us subconsciously associate the TZZ TZZ sound effect with Darcy & her phone, until we see it for the final time--layered directly atop the image of the camera lens in the last frame.
Of course, if any of us got these images by paying for them, like good little boys & girls, we wouldn't have this problem of having to figure out which pictures go where. Then again, that's kinda half the fun, at least for me.


marcusdom said:
AffectionOtto said:
it does seem very backward to me that all of the more hardcore perversions are strictly limited to the LilAndy label, the supposedly more "adult" side is squeaky-clean by comparison
As always I give him the benefit of the doubt here and say it's more a payment provider issue. The "adult" side also happens to be the more publicly accepted "morally approved" content by default so he's walking on eggshells with it to avoid pissing off SubscribeStar and such and their Visa/Mastercard tyrant overlords. LilAndy right out of the gate is already crossing a line so hey "we've passed the point of no return so let's just keep going further".
pippipapapopo said:
Thats what i mean. He pretty much keeps the forbidden or "illegal" stuff for Lilandy while the "normal" one stays at Andava. Thats why the theme of Cassie with a dog (wich i could see her definetly do) would fit more to Lilandy than Andava even if it would be a first to have an adult character only there.
You're both right, I actually kind of misspoke: What I meant was how backward it seems that all of the most extreme fetishes are only found on LilAndy characters, i.e., underage kids. He treats the distinction as "Andava = plausibly 18+" and "LilAndy = clearly under 18", when it should be "Andava = fairly vanilla" and "LilAndy = whatever you perverted freaks want, as long as it doesn't squick me out personally". Segregating the labels almost entirely by age makes little sense. When Lily is doing nothing but riding her skateboard, fully dressed (well, with all her naughty bits covered, at least), that should fall under the Andava label. And when Claudia chomps into a guy's neck & draws a frankly concerning amount of blood, that should be a LilAndy image. But instead, what apparently happens is things like "My fans want to see some bestiality, which obviously must go under my more depraved label. So instead of drawing an experienced, adult woman taking an insertion as large as a horse's penis, I'd better have a rather petite, 12-year-old girl do it." I'm not saying that it should be someone like Dylan in Rurik's stall, I'm just saying that it would make more logical sense. Both because of (in this case) pure physical constraints, and mainly because people tend to get more kinky as they age, not less.
Cassie already has appeared in LilAndy images several times (in fact, she's the only character to have a significant presence under both labels) but, again, she gets sorted less for what she does, but rather more for the age of the person she's doing it with.

. . . for all the bestiality Skylar (and Valentina) have done when exactly was the last time they did any of that? . . . And Skylars weird shit now is just incest.
I haven't been keeping track of when who does what, but looking back over the last few pages of the thread, I can tell you there hasn't been any incest for a while, either. Which isn't surprising, what with SubscribeStar specifically calling it out as content that can get one banned.

This thread is for discussion of Andava's images only, and he hasn't drawn Cassie with anything alien yet, so I'll post my remarks about hypothetical images to the wiki thread.

I don't think we've ever seen Andava do "xray/internal cumshot" either, the most we've gotten is one presumably joke image of "egg being fertilized" with Darcy way back.
Andava has drawn x-ray penetrations of Alexis & Pelo--although those were oral only--as well as Ceci, Darcy, Na-Na, and Skylar. And we've seen fertilization shots of Darcy, Erica, Ester, Eva, and Pelo (as well as a few non-Andavaverse girls) . . . none of which resulted in pregnancy, of course, because of porn logic.

I think this [Ester "stealing" Brandon from Darcy] wasnt cheating. They had a one evening stand just Darcy thought this becomes a regular thing and she got disspointed but nothing was offical.
Correct. They collaborated on a project for a class, she seduced him, they fucked, and then they . . . apparently went no-contact for a few days. That's not a boyfriend/girfriend relationship. If you're dating someone, you have the confidence to walk right up to them the instant you see them, and say "I assume we're going to the dance on Friday, right?" You don't just stare at their back through a whole lecture class and only hours later work up the guts to actually approach them. While Darcy was definitely traumatized by what happened, it was more because of the HUGE contrast between her Expectations and Reality (especially when there's a good chance that Ester was Darcy's bully), rather than any actual infidelity.
 
How is everyone feeling about the differences between versions? What's your favorite page or moments in the comic?
I left my thoughts on the alternate versions (justifications for which of each pair I decided was canon) at the bottom of the "duplicates post" itself. As for a favorite moment in the comic, by FAR my fave is Cassie's epiphany upon discovering Alexis's hidden skirt. Normally I'm against sudden breaks into anime caricature (looking at you, Avatar the Last Airbender), but the way Cassie's whole universe comes to a halt momentarily just made me burst out laughing when I saw it, it fits her so well.

I'd also like to bring everyones attention to page 36 as Alexis suddenly has some serious eyeshadow going on, similar to the increased eyeshadow in page 1b. I think Alexis IS wearing makeup, judging from other panels, looks like eyeliner and just a bit of eyeshadow. The eyeshadow is slight and it kinda comes an goes from panel to panel, but page 36 is full on smokey eye.
I think that's just the effect of making his bangs artificially "fade out" so we can see his eye behind them. If Alexis was using any makeup at all, he'd be doing it to emphasize and maximize the differences between his two halves--that is, he wouldn't be wearing any while he was presenting as male.

Alexith vs Alexi'? . . .
Technically, it should be "Alekthith." The letter X doesn't exist, it's actually KS, and that S would definitely be affected by a lisp. As for the various differences in spelling, part of this can be read as Cassie deliberately trying every spelling & pronunciation, to see which one Alexis seems to like the most, and the rest of it is Andava being incorrect / inconsistent with how her lisp works. On page 38, she correctly says "athhole", but on 39 it's "assthhole".
Personally, I can't care too much about Alexi / Alexi' / Alexith, ever since I read that in Temple Valley Memories, Andava plans to have the character go by Alexis when wearing male clothes, and as Alex when presenting as female, the direct opposite of convention. I can understand the character wanting to defy convention, and being a glutton for punishment, but I still find it needlessly annoying.

Also Cassie is now a new member to the journalism club and does not mention Darcy, instead we get "Vanguard". What exactly does that mean? Implies the journalism club is a really big thing in school? Just use "prez" or something, president of the journalism club. Or is Darcy not the pres, I dunno.
The Valley Vanguard is just the name of the school paper, of which (in my interpretation) Darcy functions as the Editor, while the instructor is the Publisher. It's canon that the school paper is the only academic pursuit that Darcy is good at/cares about, so it makes sense that she'd take the class a second time (as Journalism 201), while the newbies in Journalism 101 (like Alexis & Cassie) have to report to her.

In the b series changes, as previously mentioned, Alexis withholds mentioning who is involved in his breakup and it has been changed that Cassie does not mention that she knows.
Andava didn't even catch all of the mentions--on what's now page 13, Cassie says "He was taking the light out of you", when the edits even just a page earlier had Alexis trying to disguise his ex's gender, and Cassie at least pretending not to know.

But THEN page 24b Cassie SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS NICK.
Yup. I feel sorry for any canon Andava purists who now have to try to make sense of that blatant contradiction.

Cassie somehow knows Darcy works herself to death a lot and that she'll be fine. So is she new to the club or not?
And that one too. Especially considering that Darcy & Pelo are (or at least had been) BFFs, so why the hell would Alexis ask someone who allegedly has barely even met Darcy, about Darcy's health, when he could just as easily ask his own sister?

"Them" is mentioned again, original version, there's no alternate b version. So does this mean Nick is noncis?
Nope, it means that Andava needs an editor, or at least a proofreader. The same page has "doogy ears" instead of "doggy ears", page 38 has "Well, not this on side" when it should be "Well, not on this side," etc.

And what's with the camera lens to Darcy is sick narrative? Is this her fever dream? Is there actually a live stream of this happening? Did Cassie or someone record the fuck sesh? Did someone send the vid to Darcy?
All of those sound at least slightly plausible, except the livestream--unless you're talking about a livestream to Darcy's phone only, which indeed is my interpretation of what's happening. Cassie might also be recording it for her own funsies, and it's possible that neither girl is aware of the other's use of the camera in this way.

Would like to have seen more of Cassie's aggressiveness. We got her shoving Alexis to her fingering Alexis without asking (or is consent of anal fingering understood when consent of rimming is given?) Would have been nice to see some other things inbetween those two events, like Cassie kissing Alexis too hard, Cassie putting fingers in his mouth, biting him.
Bearing in mind that this is their first "date", Cassie is probably holding back. Maybe this is her idea of being subtle, and tender.

If Darcy is mentioned, would be real nice to see a threesome between them.
If Alexis was interested in Darcy, he would likely have made a move long before now, what with her frequently hanging out with Pelo & all. Don't let the comic fool you into thinking Alexis is bisexual: He's 90-95% gay. Cassie is the exception to the rule.

My personal favorite panels:
You know, I'm going to amend what I said earlier. For pure porn-logic silliness, I'll also favorite the way Alexis's orgasm begins on page 43, the first semen leaves his cock on 44, he spends 45 blasting the kind of load that professional porn stars with hyperspermia dream about, then on page 46 he has the mental wherewithal to start a new topic of conversation which lasts for another 20 seconds or so, and when we cut back to him he is STILL EJACULATING. No wonder Nick dumped him; he was constantly being made to feel inadequate, always being topped by his own bottom.
 
I've just updated the wiki with six new characters. Don't get your hopes up; it's just 2 girls from other artists, and 4 more supporting fuckboys for whom I made up some names. These are the last characters I will add for the foreseeable future: The bottom of the barrel has been scraped, so until Andava brings in an all-new character, or brings back anybody whom he's only drawn once, the wiki is essentially complete.

I'll still keep tweaking it, though. I want to shuffle some pictures around a little bit, and then I'll add some color-coding, and finally some stats covering who does what with whom. Long-term tinkering goals.
 
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