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If anything, this new installment suggests Marina is innocent and pretty much fed up with a partner who has appeared to breach her trust one too many times now. Elena's loss of memory may be complicating the situation with Marina but as it returns it may provide some clarity for both of them and indeed the readers. Lets not forget that Nikos paid for Andrew and Marina to honeymoon in Greece and that the transformation bait was set on their first night. Eva and Sophia were also really quick to move things along. In fact, their calling Elena mum and socializing her as a middle aged women virtually from the start suggests they may have been in on the method acting twist that makes it hard to separate the truth about what is going on. And lets not forget that Mr. Seferi shot Joel and had him transformed into a woman suggesting he is involved on the wrong side of all of this too.
 
Saying that Marina is innocent is strange, she abandons him without listening to him, but wants him to listen to her, she goes to nightclubs in Crete, then she returns just to take him to the clinic, who knows Andrew didn't even want to go to the clinic and Sofia and Eva asked Marina to come back just to convince him to go to the clinic because she knew the procedures, an innocent person wouldn't do what she did, and if she loved him like she says she would have been on his side, not on her cousins' side.
 
Saying Marina should be punished is incomprehensible to me. As the last episode reveals, in a very intimate moment between Marina and Andrew she stood by him and would even do so in his transformed state. The memory loss is clearly playing havoc with Andrew's ability to explain why he said the things he said that upset Marina but it appears its a little too late as she is now at the point where the "straw that broke the proverbial camel's back" has arrived. This is a very real point in most failed relationships. At this moment, there is nothing the other partner can say or do to restore trust, especially where the other partner feels the pattern of lies and deception are too much to ignore. If Marina was guilty of anything she would not be pouring her heart out to Andrew at this moment. Marina is a victim and the argument that she needed to stand by her man is not enough given the history of all that has happened in the story. Btw, the trip to Crete was a direct result of the honeymoon being spoiled by Andrew extending the facade of Elena being married to Nikos.
 
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If anything, this new installment suggests Marina is innocent and pretty much fed up with a partner who has appeared to breach her trust one too many times now. Elena's loss of memory may be complicating the situation with Marina but as it returns it may provide some clarity for both of them and indeed the readers. Lets not forget that Nikos paid for Andrew and Marina to honeymoon in Greece and that the transformation bait was set on their first night. Eva and Sophia were also really quick to move things along. In fact, their calling Elena mum and socializing her as a middle aged women virtually from the start suggests they may have been in on the method acting twist that makes it hard to separate the truth about what is going on. And lets not forget that Mr. Seferi shot Joel and had him transformed into a woman suggesting he is involved on the wrong side of all of this too.
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yes I felt sorry for Marina in this latest part. Eva and Sophia only wanted Andrew to look more passable as Elena with a little tweak but it ended up as a complete gender change and age progression and as Andrew was drugged at the time so he went unknowingly into becoming Elena into irreversible changes. those changes must have cost a great deal of money least of all the weeks recovering in the hospital. Since it wasn't Nikos who paid the bill who did?
 
Andrew was guilty of losing Marina's money, that's true, but when he saw his mistake, he confessed and asked for forgiveness, but Marina always found a way to remind him of his mistake. He trusted Marina, he tried to talk to her, but she ignored him. In this case, the traitor is Marina. She betrayed Andrew because she didn't trust him, and she acts hurt, and even though she knew about the procedures, she says she tried to stop him, but she is the one who takes Andrew to the clinic. If she wanted to stop him, she wouldn't have left the clinic, that is, she shouldn't have even taken him to the clinic. And she says she loved him and would stay with him even though she was an older woman. If she loved him, she would have taken him to Crete with her, she wouldn't leave him in the hands of his cousins. For all this, Marina should be punished and see everything she caused by not standing by her husband, and then she can be hurt by her own mistakes, not Andrew's. But as we know from Melissa, Marina will always be a queen and Andrew will be the peasant who will serve as a sacrifice. As in all her stories, the feminized woman will always be at the mercy of the feminizer, as a slave, a submissive woman. It would be amazing if Andrew could fight and be himself, now as a woman following her own destiny, not the one chosen by the feminizer.
 
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Andrew was guilty of losing Marina's money, that's true, but when he saw his mistake, he confessed and asked for forgiveness, but Marina always found a way to remind him of his mistake. He trusted Marina, he tried to talk to her, but she ignored him. In this case, the traitor is Marina. She betrayed Andrew because she didn't trust him, and she acts hurt, and even though she knew about the procedures, she says she tried to stop him, but she is the one who takes Andrew to the clinic. If she wanted to stop him, she wouldn't have left the clinic, that is, she shouldn't have even taken him to the clinic. And she says she loved him and would stay with him even though she was an older woman. If she loved him, she would have taken him to Crete with her, she wouldn't leave him in the hands of his cousins. For all this, Marina should be punished and see everything she caused by not standing by her husband, and then she can be hurt by her own mistakes, not Andrew's. But as we know from Melissa, Marina will always be a queen and Andrew will be the peasant who will serve as a sacrifice. As in all her stories, the feminized woman will always be at the mercy of the feminizer, as a slave, a submissive woman. It would be amazing if Andrew could fight and be himself, now as a woman following her own destiny, not the one chosen by the feminizer.
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I agree about losing their money but she was obviously upset by the lack of trust rather than the loss of the money. once trust is lost in a marriage then it is difficult to recover it. when Marina goes with crossdressed Andrew for the small tweak that the daughters wanted she is suddenly called away thinking that he will manage but Andrew is then drugged and when he sees the doctor he doesnt realise what is going to happen but agrees thinking it is the small tweak. When he comes too in the hospital and Marina visits him she cant believe what she sees. Those six pages are repeated in chapter 24 to show how shocked Marina is at Andrews complete transformarion. regarding the trip to crete she left because Andrew screwed up at the dinner as again drugged he has commited to staying as Elena until the deal is signed. Joel is there to make sure nothing changes. Marina quite rightly storms off unhappy that Andrew has commited to staying as Elena. Marina is quite rightly pissed off that as Elena, Andrew has had sex with Nikos. That is another breach of trust on Andrews part. Since Andrew as Elena has to be the loving wife to Nikos he damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. Clearly though the big issue is who was it that told the surgeon that Andrew wanted gender reassignment and age progression surgery instead of the tweak the girls wanted? I dont think that was Marina because she wanted Andrew back and she has no money - Andrew lost it all. That leaves Toska and Nikos. Although Nikos appreciates the sacrifice Andrew has made in becoming Elena it wasnt him which leaves who ever drugged Andrew in the waiting room and instructed the doctors. the only bad mark against Marina is that having been notified that Andrew was having these changes she did nothing to halt them. Then why should the doctor contact Marina when it is the daughters who aeeanged the appointment for the reversible tweak?
 
Marina says she loves Andrew, if she loved him she would know him, she would know he wasn't acting like himself, so she should have helped him and not put him in the hands of his cousins, and she still agrees with his new changes, before leaving for Crete, Marina was deceived because she talked to her cousins before, she was informed about the changes before the surgery by her cousins, and she knew Andrew only knew about easy feminization, so she should have known Andrew was being deceived too and that something would happen to Andrew for him to accept all the procedures, and she still took him to the clinic, knowing everything that would happen, she says she wanted to stop it, so she should have stayed with him until the end of the consultation, she was wrong to abandon him because of a phone call, knowing everything she cared but with the phone call of what would happen to Andrew, at the clinic both Marina and Andrew had tea, it would be interesting if Marina was drugged and woke up later knowing everything that happened, but she was more interested in knowing the message she received than on Andrew. After all the procedures, she visited him at the clinic and told him that he had done a lot of procedures, so she knew about the memory lapses the doctor mentioned. She knew that Andrew was not acting like himself. During the party, she should have seen that Andrew was acting different than usual. When he didn't answer her questions correctly, she should have known something was up, especially when she couldn't talk to him. Then, at the pool with Andrew, she learned that he had sex with his uncle, she knew what her cousins had done. She should have seen what was going on. Because Andrew ended up having sex with his uncle, and wanting revenge, she had sex with the zombie. She left saying that she would end it all. When Andrew found her talking to Nikos, Nikos said that they would talk later. Marina said that she wanted to stop the procedures, but she didn't. Marina said that she would stay with him even though she was an older woman. Because she loved him. What kind of love would that be between a mother and a daughter? She would definitely look for a man to satisfy her. Now she is filing for divorce. The one who should be upset about all this is Andrew, and the one who should be asking for a divorce is Andrew, not Marina. Marina saying she loved him was always reminding him of his mistakes, by the way she never made a mistake,
 
if you look at the first pictures Andrew says that the girls want him to go through a small procedure to make him look more passable since he will be wearing Elena's high heels for a long time and Marina agrees to it. they are from chapter 13.

Then look at Page 5 chapter 14 where Andrew realises he is in the doctor's office to have a small procedure done after he was persuaded by the daughters AND Marina. Then the doctor drops a bombshell in page 12 that some unknown therapist said that Andrew is suffering from gender and age dysphoria. then the doctor ups the ante by suggesting that he can do a lot more and Andrew agrees to it but he is suffering from the drug he took in the tea so agrees thinking it is the simple procedure. on page 24 as Andrew drinks the tea Marina encourages him to be a proper lady and to stop being so stubborn. That hardly suggests that she is discouraging Andrew to not do the simple procedure its certainly not telling him to go full out on the gender and age changes. on page 30 Marina is called by the hotel to deal with an issue surrounding James rather than stay with Andrew but she tells him to make sure the doctor does the procedure. Andrew has drunk the drugged tea by this time.

the next few chapters skip forward and Andrew is aware that he has been turned into Elena and there must be a huge amount of mental gymnastics required on the part of a healthy young male to realise he is now a middle aged female. That explains the night mare dreams that he has as the doctor tells him everything has been done in chapter 18. in chapter 21 when Marina visits she has clearly no idea of the vast changes Andrew has undergone which means that although she supported the small procedure she clearly didnt know about the huge changes that have happened. Andrew asks her to help him reverse the changes even though he's been told they cant be reversed.

In chapter 22 Marina sneers at Elena by the swimming pool saying the amnesia she claims to have is too convenient. she is less than sympathetic to Andrews situation and when he confesses to having sex despite not being aware of the situation Marina goes in full anger mode. Andrew on page 5 of chapter 23 feels that Marina is being unreasonable and thinks that others could have been driven insane by what happened. On page 9 Andrew thinks that Marina is a selfish spoiled bitch. then later in the chapter as Elena and nikos make love - Marina and the policeman do the same stuff.

So Marina from Andrew's point of view is less than supportive of his predicament and its all been caused in a break down in confusion and loss of memory on Andrew's part. the latest chapter is a continuation of them falling out she didnt trust Andrew and now doesnt trust him as Elena despite having sex herself.

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From what I see of the story, it is based solely on Andrew, we only know what Andrew knows, but due to the gaps that Melissa left, and Andrew's lack of memory, it is difficult. I would like Andrew to win, and for him to be himself now as a woman, and for the guilty to be punished, but others want him to be a sexual puppet created by the feminizers, it is easy to take several previous images and say that Andrew is guilty of everything and that Marina is innocent, or vice versa, but as it was said when Andrew recovers all his memories we will be able to see what really happened Andrew may be deceiving himself, and be guilty, but Marina may not be so innocent either, and have her share of the blame along with her cousins and the rest of the gang.
 
That is a far cry from Marina deserves to be punished. Saying as you have that she may not be innocent is the same as saying she may not be guilty. I think in a story where not all the information is on the table (purposesly I might add) you do two things. First, you communicate judgements about what is happening based on what is known from the story not what you hope will happen. That is what Elaine is doing and you are not. And second, you make the distinction clear on the first point when offering predictions about what you think or hope will happen. Criticizing MelissaN for not relaying all the information you want when the story is not yet finished is like saying you don't like something to eat before tasting it.
 
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From what I see of the story, it is based solely on Andrew, we only know what Andrew knows, but due to the gaps that Melissa left, and Andrew's lack of memory, it is difficult. I would like Andrew to win, and for him to be himself now as a woman, and for the guilty to be punished, but others want him to be a sexual puppet created by the feminizers, it is easy to take several previous images and say that Andrew is guilty of everything and that Marina is innocent, or vice versa, but as it was said when Andrew recovers all his memories we will be able to see what really happened Andrew may be deceiving himself, and be guilty, but Marina may not be so innocent either, and have her share of the blame along with her cousins and the rest of the gang.
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clearly there was also a huge breakdown in communications between Andrew and Marina for various reasons. On Andrew's side he was unconscious for a month after huge transformative surgeries and then before that Marina storms off to Crete without telling Andrew. Then post the surgeries Andrew is in some kind of alternative reality perhaps he can hardly believe what has happened to him. The chapter in the temple is part of that alternate reality. He tries to adjust perhaps through drinking and even then he has to cope with being a 55 year old female. That struggle should have been obvious to Marina and resulted in at least some sympathy and some care for the person she knew. As for punishment as far as I can see the only punished person has been Andrew who has been forcibly feminised, has now lost his marriage and 30 years of his physiological life. Clearly he has been out of his depth at times as Elena but that could be why he has managed to survive by blanking off his reactions. At times that has meant that he has learnt to please and be pleased with Nikos.
 
Believe it or not , whatever happened in the past between andrwe and merina, but after coming to their honeymoon, whatever happened to andrw it is clearly shows andrw is the victim here,
And at the beginning Andrew try to communicate with merina, he mentioned that act like Elina and all stuff clearly crossing the line
But , that time merina herself told , he have to act like her aunt , and she is the one who forced him , and she also bring someone as her husband INFORNT of andrw and crealy act like there was never be a Andrew,
So now she is angry, come on bitch,! You are the one !
I may not follow the comic like others but I have brain to understand who is victim here

And whoever sympathise with merina I don't care !
 
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