transmorpho
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Marina abandoned, betrayed, and accepted the mutilation of her own husband, insulted and mistreated him, all to keep her plans a secret.
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mntna
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what plans?
- she abandoned Andrew because she was angry that he accepted to be Aunt Elena for a longer time (she didn't know anything)
- she betrayed him only because she was forced to kiss James when they had a gun in front (she didn't know that James was trouble)
- she was always caution around James as she didn't trust him and when he came when Andrew was about to get some more important procedures, James appeared and made her unable to go back to Andrew until it was too late.
- she insulted and mistreated him by using an old story as a way to cut ties so for anybody that was spying, they weren't together anymore, when in reality Marina was giving a good acting, so that she could go and discover what was happening, something that guided her to Albania where she finds out most of the truth, if not the entire truth.
so i can't see Marina as a villain, but only as someone that deal with the situation the wrong way, also because she didn't know what was going on and who was pulling the strings behind the scene
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SaraVega
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Lol still with all that hate towards Marina
She's the only character that makes sense, she's in her honeymoon with her husband and he decides (for whatever reason) that he'll be the wife of her uncle for a few months....
Think about it, what would a real person do?
Still she came back and was helping him, when she arrived with James she mentioned the earrings code.... she didn't abandon him
Just has he had to do things that were out of his control the same happened to Marina
She's not the hero but definitely not the villain, I'd put a lot more blame on her cousins, her uncle and specially on "aunt helena"
She's the only character that makes sense, she's in her honeymoon with her husband and he decides (for whatever reason) that he'll be the wife of her uncle for a few months....
Think about it, what would a real person do?
Still she came back and was helping him, when she arrived with James she mentioned the earrings code.... she didn't abandon him
Just has he had to do things that were out of his control the same happened to Marina
She's not the hero but definitely not the villain, I'd put a lot more blame on her cousins, her uncle and specially on "aunt helena"
mntna
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i agree with most of it
i have to correct only this: he didn't choose to be her Uncle's Wife for a few months, he accepted for a night dinner only, then he got drugged and his dizzy state he didn't realize that he just agreed to something that would make him stay as Elena for months, Marina got hungry because she thought that it was Andrew's idea, not wanting to hear his explanation and if she hear it, at that moment she wouldn't believe it, but then she would have connected things and realize that something wrong was going on a lot sooner.
transmorpho
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transmorpho
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We have Andrew, Marina, and Nikos at their house, and here we see that Marina preferred to listen to her uncle and cousins, and didn't even want to hear her husband's version of events. She even participated in plans to make him more feminine and then abandon him. By the way, what a beautiful dress for nights out in Cretan nightclubs! Next, we see Marina and James at the nightclub. Incidentally, Marina and James stayed at the nightclub and kissed after Roan left, not in his presence with the gun in his hand. If Marina had wanted to, she wouldn't have stayed with him and the kisses wouldn't have happened. She claims she didn't sleep with James, but that she was with him, and that the kisses were a mistake and that Andrew or Elena won't know. Therefore, she betrayed him. Marina may have been deceived, just like Andrew, but she was in her right mind while Andrew was drugged. And speaking of the earrings, she talked to the doctor and probably knew that Andrew wasn't thinking clearly due to memory loss. Even so, she treated him as if he were to blame for everything, pushing him even further into the hands of the real culprit and hiding in the shadows, merely observing. She did nothing to help him, except make his life worse.
mntna
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i really don't get it, why so much hate for Marina? more than the real villains that changed Andrew into Elena, like Marina was the real villain, when i can only see her as a victim too, of course she made mistakes in dealing with the situation, but still a victim
we saw in this last part, the arrival of Andrew & Marina wasn't planned and Andrew disguise and acting like Nikos Wife only made the villains to change their plans. Andrew and Marina were involved in something they didn't plan or asked at all. they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
we saw in this last part, the arrival of Andrew & Marina wasn't planned and Andrew disguise and acting like Nikos Wife only made the villains to change their plans. Andrew and Marina were involved in something they didn't plan or asked at all. they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
SaraVega
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I agree and I say it again, she reacted like any real woman would if that happened during her honeymoon
In any case the cousins are more to blame
But specially Andrew, even if he was drugged he didnt have to take things so far (I get it without that there is no story) but he let things go this far
transmorpho
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Andrew and Marina were in the wrong place, and Andrew had already made a mistake with Marina, but confessed his errors to her. He was drunk when he agreed to impersonate Elena, and Marina called him "aunt," and Andrew was drugged. Marina didn't care about anything, leaving him at the mercy of his uncle and cousins, even participating in plans to make him more feminine, and thus Marina becomes one of them. First, let's move on to Marina's meeting with the inspector. Marina talks about the driver who, it seems, was also drugged and seriously believes in the accident (or is being coerced into talking about the accident), but was probably also drugged. Thus, in Andrew's case, any drink or liquid he consumes may be adulterated, so even if he wants to react, he seems to be coerced into backing down. In Marina's case, she wasn't drugged. Comparing Andrew and Marina, Andrew made a mistake and confessed, but Marina hid hers, making herself even more guilty and causing Andrew to feel increasingly disturbed, forcing him to move on alone and with many manipulating him; he had nowhere to escape. Marina had abandoned him; she was probably being watched, but she was still free and not at the mercy of drugs. She wasn't coerced when she betrayed him; she wasn't coerced when she accepted her husband's transformation into a woman, so much so that she even approved the permanent changes, as she was informed by the doctor before they were performed. I was looking at the story's cover; the characters are well-dressed, and the fact that Melissa chose an image where Marina is naked is somewhat strange.
transmorpho
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He could have revealed that Marina ended up sleeping with James that night, and cheating on him.
mntna
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revealed? Marina made it clear that she didn't sleep with James
if they 2 did sleep together for real, James would have told Mr. Moraitis right away and he would have revealed it now to Andrew to make him more miserable in a way that would have him also lose any hope to be saved
one thing that i think Mr. Moraitis didn't understand (like many villains) is that Eva & Sofia wouldn't go to him right away so that he could finally have a happy family, they don't know all the truth but a lie made by him to make their Father Nikos looks like a horrible man, ready to kill their new Mother for money and using their names to move money around.
mntna
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i asked Melissa on Patreon about Marina and that's what she said:
"Marina is a normal person. Maybe the most normal person in the story, lol. She didn't do anything to hurt Andrew on purpose, but she definitely made some mistakes."
so this is an official description of Marina character
"Marina is a normal person. Maybe the most normal person in the story, lol. She didn't do anything to hurt Andrew on purpose, but she definitely made some mistakes."
so this is an official description of Marina character
transmorpho
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So, being normal might be her worst mistake. To me, being normal seems like ignorance in her case. She was so normal, and intelligentāsince she has a degree in journalismāthat she chose to go against her own husband, choosing to listen to her uncle instead of her husband. Hurt or not, she made mistakes. Andrew was honest with her, but she wasn't. She preferred to hide rather than side with her husband. So, normal or not, she's guilty. She herself confessed to the inspector that she made mistakes and is guilty of Andrew being where he is. So, since she knows she was wrong, why didn't she go after him and confess her mistakes and help him like a supportive wife would, instead of throwing him away, mistreating him, hurting him? That's being normal.
mntna
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i have the feeling that you are twisting the story and even the authors "words of explanation", in a way that fit your vision of the characters & the situations they find themselves into to make Marina always one of the Villains
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