Mind Control Comics Discussion Thread

[Vaars]

This comic I found also confusing as I thought Brandon already had the strongest Crystal.
Really unnecessary for the story in my opnion to introduce the new guy.

Yeah, i felt the same... Im willing to give a little bit of leeway since we dont know how it ultimately turns out in the future. but sometimes I wonder whether the Reason behind the slow Release Schedule is that Daphne has written herself in a Corner with several of her Projects ^^

 

[SamJuan]

From reading majority of MCC comics, the writer's pitfall in most stories is that there is no source of conflict. The conflict could easily come from one of the slaves resisting the MC before being enslaved, it could be them trying to escape. But because of the implied absolute power of the MC and their respective focus (Gem, Watch, Magic, Technology), the writers trap themselves into a corner where they have to create a rival character with no backstory, but has a stronger object of power to always steals the MC's harem

 

[Vaars]

From reading majority of MCC comics, the writer's pitfall in most stories is that there is no source of conflict. The conflict could easily come from one of the slaves resisting the MC before being enslaved, it could be them trying to escape. But because of the implied absolute power of the MC and their respective focus (Gem, Watch, Magic, Technology), the writers trap themselves into a corner where they have to create a rival character with no backstory, but has a stronger object of power to always steals the MC's harem

I wouldn't say "Majority", but you are absolutely right - that is a general Problem you face when writing a Mind Control Story like this (I write Stuff like that myself, so I've encountered that Issue)
In my Experience, there are two Types of MCC/Mind Control Stories in General that can work around this Problem:
- One is the Version in which the MC accidentally stumbles onto the Control Power and has to figure out how it works, whom it affects, and where it came from - kind of like a Detective/Whodunit Type of story. The Inheritance, Enchanted Summer and Trigger Warning (my personal favorite MCC Series) are Examples of this.
- The other one focuses on what this Kind of Power does to a Person, and often sees the MC fall into Temptation and (temporarily) turning to the Dark Side. Saint James Infirmary has a lot of this, as does Hidden Knowledge to a certain extent. But this needs a much more deeply defined MC as we usually get in any Type of Porn content, and also can become a little... less jerk-off-y and more philosophical, so i understand why these Types of Stories are few and far between ^^

Another Version that can solve this Problem is telling it from the Perspective of the Women - Found Objects and Audiophilia has Moments of this, as does 4F, for example. But that Version works a Lot better in shorter Formats than longer ones.

 

[AkaQ]

I noticed Chikan deleted his account

 

[Speedboot90]

That is sad. I guess the trolls are happy now what an disgusting people.

 

[HypnoLucy]

x.x we lose Chikan again? sad day

 

[jennypclicker_8675309]

x.x we lose Chikan again? sad day

#%$^$^()&()%& @%@!$@^

Sorry, I did not want to swear and upset anyone.

Well, I hope to all of those that wanted Chikan gone, are you happy now.

 

[CrapoKiBave]

I noticed Chikan deleted his account

Oh F*** !
We loose a great contributor !

 

[jennypclicker_8675309]

Yup, as I said, didn't want to swear but, I hope that those who wanted Chikan gone are happy now.

 

[elcho rizo]

Why do people troll someone that post all these comics here I really dont understand.
Just say thank you. That would be the most logical action.

Even though he's probably the person that's contributed the most when it comes to MCC, his attitude has always been one of "I am the most valuable person on this website" to the point where he would get mad if 1 person disliked one of his posts (that's part of what he calls "trolling", now that I think about it, sounds like the average redditor). He'll probably come back and say how every negative comment made here since he first left, convinced him of not posting again (he's done this a lot of times). At the end of the day, we just want to nut, and then's this guy, manipulating men by their cocks, better than a hot tub meta streamer.

 

[Glados]

Even though he's probably the person that's contributed the most when it comes to MCC, his attitude has always been one of "I am the most valuable person on this website" to the point where he would get mad if 1 person disliked one of his posts (that's part of what he calls "trolling", now that I think about it, sounds like the average redditor). He'll probably come back and say how every negative comment made here since he first left, convinced him of not posting again (he's done this a lot of times). At the end of the day, we just want to nut, and then's this guy, manipulating men by their cocks, better than a hot tub meta streamer.

Considering he had the second most posts on the site (only behind a staff member), he was valuable to the site. It's a shame he left but it is what it is

 

[Vaars]

Even though he's probably the person that's contributed the most when it comes to MCC, his attitude has always been one of "I am the most valuable person on this website" to the point where he would get mad if 1 person disliked one of his posts (that's part of what he calls "trolling", now that I think about it, sounds like the average redditor). He'll probably come back and say how every negative comment made here since he first left, convinced him of not posting again (he's done this a lot of times). At the end of the day, we just want to nut, and then's this guy, manipulating men by their cocks, better than a hot tub meta streamer.

Maybe - but I'll personally allow someone who contributes to any Project in this Extent to have a little bit of an Ego about it. Additionally, all he ever asked for was likes in Exchange for Downloads. Personally, I never felt "manipulated" by him into doing anything that wasn't a fair and reasonable Request for some basic Thanks - I wouldn't know what else there was to give, or be gained anyways...

 

[flowerboy2001]

Even though he's probably the person that's contributed the most when it comes to MCC, his attitude has always been one of "I am the most valuable person on this website" to the point where he would get mad if 1 person disliked one of his posts (that's part of what he calls "trolling", now that I think about it, sounds like the average redditor). He'll probably come back and say how every negative comment made here since he first left, convinced him of not posting again (he's done this a lot of times). At the end of the day, we just want to nut, and then's this guy, manipulating men by their cocks, better than a hot tub meta streamer.

The problem with Chikan was never that he wanted control over his own threads. I think that’s fine. And I think the way this forum is set up is great because it allows different ways to do things.

The problem with Chikan was that he wanted control over other people threads too. What I commented on in January was a discussion where Chikan was arguing that others had been wrong in starting a thread and posting comics from a specific author that Chikan had planned to post a thread about, under his control. And he argued falsely that they shouldn’t have done so and it had ruined his work and now he wouldn’t post the comics he had. Not even in a new thread under his control.

He also wanted others to send him better or fault free versions of comics so he could post them and take credit instead of allowing people to post them themselves in his threads. This caused delays in fixing errors he had made. In one thread I could have provided a correct comic an hour after he originally posted but the thread was locked so I messaged him that I had the correct versions and asked him to unlock it so I could post it. No answer, instead he waited three days until someone else sent him the correct versions so he could do it himself. And only after updating the thread he answered me that my help wasn’t needed because someone else had sent him the correct version.

Again I’m fine with a major contributor wanting control over threads he/she creates. But It’s not ok to bully other contributors because they upload things you had planned to upload but haven’t. It’s not ok to take credit for uploads because you want others to not upload and instead send the things to you so you can do the uploads, and take credit yourself, People who want to be the star of the whole forum and not just in their own threads and because of that bully other contributors and create obstacles for other contributors so they can take credit for others contributions is dangerously toxic, over both short and long term, to the culture of a contributor driven forum.

And what Chikan calls troll attacks on him in different forums is almost always people calling him out on his bullying of other contributors of the forum. It was the case here, at 8muses and at several other forums where I’ve seen Chikan post over time. It’s always the same pattern. He posts a lot of great stuff, threatens to stop if he doesn’t get lots of positive feedback, then he starts bullying other contributors, gets called out on his bullying and then leaves for ever during great drama. He will either come back later and restart with a new batch of MCC, or he will turn up in another forum using the same name or another and post MCC stuff there and start all over again.

If Chikan just stopped bullying and interfering in what other contributors do in forums and stealing credit from others, he wouldn’t have any problems and most people would be willing to accept some personality quirks in a major contributor. I certainly would.

 

[flowerboy2001]

Personally without Chikan I consider the MCC thread in limbo. For the most part only chikan or glados ever put the effort into cleaning MCC comics. Without them the MCC threads usually don't get updated for months if not longer. He is an essential part of this thread bc no one else would post MCC comics. Other threads that have other contributors are not really affected as much if he disappears, but MCC usually has barely any contributors so its always a terrible loss for this thread/community. There's just not that many people willing to buy the subscription and clean all those issues or have the technical knowledge to accomplish those tasks.

I actually at one time signed up for a subscription to MCC to see if I could contribute some. But it’s way to difficult to remove the watermarks. That experience made me start to wonder if it’s actually Daphne who dumps clean MCC stuff at times when the number of subscribers has gone down a lot. Doing so would increase the number of readers and get old readers back into reading and then when the dumps dry up enough readers are addicted to a couple of stories and sign up to get their fix of MCC stories. It certainly worked on me. At least once.

 

[flowerboy2001]

I wouldn't say "Majority", but you are absolutely right - that is a general Problem you face when writing a Mind Control Story like this (I write Stuff like that myself, so I've encountered that Issue)
In my Experience, there are two Types of MCC/Mind Control Stories in General that can work around this Problem:
- One is the Version in which the MC accidentally stumbles onto the Control Power and has to figure out how it works, whom it affects, and where it came from - kind of like a Detective/Whodunit Type of story. The Inheritance, Enchanted Summer and Trigger Warning (my personal favorite MCC Series) are Examples of this.
- The other one focuses on what this Kind of Power does to a Person, and often sees the MC fall into Temptation and (temporarily) turning to the Dark Side. Saint James Infirmary has a lot of this, as does Hidden Knowledge to a certain extent. But this needs a much more deeply defined MC as we usually get in any Type of Porn content, and also can become a little... less jerk-off-y and more philosophical, so i understand why these Types of Stories are few and far between ^^

Another Version that can solve this Problem is telling it from the Perspective of the Women - Found Objects and Audiophilia has Moments of this, as does 4F, for example. But that Version works a Lot better in shorter Formats than longer ones.

This is a very interesting analysis of MCC stories and how to solve the problems with keeping mind control stories interesting during a longer storyline. There is a third solution I have tried while writing stories and that is to limit the mind control power so it’s never absolute and no one can be completely controlled nor be mind wiped. This makes it possible to create stories that are more character driven since everyone retains their personality and there is an aspect of the mind controlled choosing to allow themselves to be controlled or even wanting it.
Saint James Infirmary works partially along this principle and most of the mind control in the story is just slight tweaks of attraction or to prevent jealousy. Saint James Infirmary also has a lot of women who are actively looking to join the harem without being controlled to do it.

 

[areader12]

And I was hoping for Trigger Warning #14... oh well

 

[Vaars]

This is a very interesting analysis of MCC stories and how to solve the problems with keeping mind control stories interesting during a longer storyline. There is a third solution I have tried while writing stories and that is to limit the mind control power so it’s never absolute and no one can be completely controlled nor be mind wiped. This makes it possible to create stories that are more character driven since everyone retains their personality and there is an aspect of the mind controlled choosing to allow themselves to be controlled or even wanting it.
Saint James Infirmary works partially along this principle and most of the mind control in the story is just slight tweaks of attraction or to prevent jealousy. Saint James Infirmary also has a lot of women who are actively looking to join the harem without being controlled to do it.

in general that is an interesting Tool, yeah. but, from a narrative perspective, you will have to come to an endpoint at some point. either the controled is ultimately accepting of their position without the need for the control, or they do ultimately succumb to the Control. But this might depend on the actual limitations in the story. do you have a concrete Example for that?
I would also add another another Type of Story: where the Mind control power has some elaborate rules and requirements, and to get power over any person is a little bit of a challenge and Riddle. Hidden Knowledge has a tiny bit of that, and "Oriental Gothic" is a Mini-Story that uses this. But on a larger and more famous Scale, "Death Note" might be the best Example of what I mean. The working within, and around the Rules, to get People under Control could be used in a longer, more elaborate sexual Story as well. (IIRC There is also a Manga called "23 Slaves for me" that follows this Method, that I stumbled across once Years ago, but never finished)
I would disagree with you a little bit on Saint James Infirmary, though. Im re-reading it right now, and right now (at Page ~450) I am counting only one Woman that had Sex with Adrian without any type of Manipulation involved (Reka, during the Threesome with Miriam)

 

[flowerboy2001]

in general that is an interesting Tool, yeah. but, from a narrative perspective, you will have to come to an endpoint at some point. either the controled is ultimately accepting of their position without the need for the control, or they do ultimately succumb to the Control. But this might depend on the actual limitations in the story. do you have a concrete Example for that?
I would also add another another Type of Story: where the Mind control power has some elaborate rules and requirements, and to get power over any person is a little bit of a challenge and Riddle. Hidden Knowledge has a tiny bit of that, and "Oriental Gothic" is a Mini-Story that uses this. But on a larger and more famous Scale, "Death Note" might be the best Example of what I mean. The working within, and around the Rules, to get People under Control could be used in a longer, more elaborate sexual Story as well. (IIRC There is also a Manga called "23 Slaves for me" that follows this Method, that I stumbled across once Years ago, but never finished)
I would disagree with you a little bit on Saint James Infirmary, though. Im re-reading it right now, and right now (at Page ~450) I am counting only one Woman that had Sex with Adrian without any type of Manipulation involved (Reka, during the Threesome with Miriam)

Well, you don’t have to come to a narrative endpoint if you intend to create a never ending soap opera. Which is what I think more MCC stories should aim for. The Inheritance, Trigger Warning and Sudo are examples of stories started so they could aim for that. Though just as with Hidden Knowledge that stayed interesting for many issues they seems to be heading towards a dead end too.
Jedi mind control powers in Star Wars are an example of powerful mind control with limitations, it drains the user if used continuously and even though it works fast and overwhelming it’s restrained in that it requires active focus and wear off very fast if not actively maintained.
In Saint James Infirmary many of the women has expressed attraction and sexual interest in Adrian before being mindcontrolled. And some of the women decided it was a requirement for sex with Adrian as a means to avoid any harem drama caused by jealousy.
I find Saint James Infirmary interesting because it’s based on the premise that women aren’t unwilling victims. Instead it’s driven by a reasonably accurate depiction of female sexuality and how it drives them to want to be part of the harem of the most desirable male and how it turns them on that they have to submit both their bodies and mind to his will to get the sex.
In a story I’m working on I use the same aspect of female sexuality as the driving force and the women and a rather unwilling harem owner use all sorts of mind or body control techniques with different types of limitations not to enslave but to expand their sexual capacity. On the other hand the women use NLP and hypnotherapy rather ruthlessly on their boyfriends and husbands to get them to accept a very alternate lifestyle where female sexuality is completely free.

The point in my stories and at least partially in Saint James Infirmary is that it’s not the mind control that enslaves women, it’s not needed. It’s female sexuality that ultimately enslaves women and they do it themselves.

 

[Speedboot90]

Even though he's probably the person that's contributed the most when it comes to MCC, his attitude has always been one of "I am the most valuable person on this website" to the point where he would get mad if 1 person disliked one of his posts (that's part of what he calls "trolling", now that I think about it, sounds like the average redditor). He'll probably come back and say how every negative comment made here since he first left, convinced him of not posting again (he's done this a lot of times). At the end of the day, we just want to nut, and then's this guy, manipulating men by their cocks, better than a hot tub meta streamer.

I really dont give a **** about his attitude. He is one of the only ones contributing so who cares. Most of us dont come here for the forum discussions I guess. I would say if you had a problem with him go to a different post.

 

[DeadPoe]

Man I wish he still would be here