Looking for Don Silver thread Toxic Attraction chapters

[Pete]

Hope I find Looking for don Silver thread TA chapters

 

[makoto shishio]

That’s the kind of thing that really pisses me off about some stories. Like, the husband gets replaced so quickly—love fades fast, and so does the companionship—so why should he stick around? He gets ignored by his wife, there’s no sex, they don’t share anything anymore; he just pays the bills, and in some stories, he ends up completely alone. The marriage is over, and the love is gone too. Not to mention how, out of nowhere, the husband stops loving his wife and actually wants to see her with other men, getting pregnant and leaving him.

 

[Powerconti]

Sire_rickenbach, stories are truly great if you don't know where it's headed or even if you know where it's headed, there better be some gnarly bends in the road.

The four outlines or endings you laid are not very appealing to be honest. The best stories I've read always read like a heist, a pursuit of the incredibly beautiful women, against all odds to the MC. ....

I shall refrain at this point from analysing the issue of incest that has been raised, as I am opposed to this subject matter. It should be acknowledged, however, that this merely reflects my personal view and should by no means be regarded as a general criticism.

In my view, the two aspects you have highlighted are essential for classifying these texts within the relevant genre.
The process initiated by the hunter to obtain the object of desire can be described as ‘hunting and pursuing’. This process is associated with a high degree of excitement, which can be termed ‘suspense’, as the situation may deviate from the plan at any moment.
It should be noted that both aspects, which make the story topical, appealing, interesting and exciting, are lost when the husband or partner goes along with everything, is relegated to a supporting role, appears spineless and is made a figure of fun.

As soon as this happens, the story loses any ability to capture the audience’s attention and keep them engrossed.
Subsequently, a phenomenon emerges that resembles a broken record playing the same thing over and over again.

For this reason, some readers, myself included, are keen to discuss Sire Reichenbach’s *THE CONTACT*. Her writing style and storytelling ability are outstanding; these qualities make her story unique and hold considerable potential for it to achieve cult status.

-- PC

 

[RustyV]

One aurthor i recommend to anyone is Tinto Selvaggio, nobody write better characters than tinto, i am surprised that his work is discussed rarely on this forum. I am looking for chapter 25-70 of his patreon series “lanie comes of age” which is extension of his best works “breaking us both” and “breaking us twice”. I recommend it to anyone into hard cuckold erotica or anyone into hotwife erotica with world building.

 

[fantafan]

you might want t check out Vivian White/Valley her literotica page can be found here https://www.literotica.com/authors/RoleplayLiterate/works/stories
but if you want to support her patreon its here https://www.patreon.com/cw/VivianWhite Cuckold consequences is one of her best and i bought it after reading it on literotica to support her. The couple are not forced into cuckolding but the story is all about the husbands redemption arc

Take note that her output is W-A-Y down. She lost her job, got a new job, various things going on obviously but isn't putting out much of anything right now. Used to be a fave of mine and oft recommended.

 

[fantafan]

One aurthor i recommend to anyone is Tinto Selvaggio, nobody write better characters than tinto, i am surprised that his work is discussed rarely on this forum. I am looking for chapter 25-70 of his patreon series “lanie comes of age” which is extension of his best works “breaking us both” and “breaking us twice”. I recommend it to anyone into hard cuckold erotica or anyone into hotwife erotica with world building.

There's a whole thread with lots of his stuff from Amazon and a bit from his Patreon at:

Thread '[Tinto Selvaggio] Hotwife/Cuckold/Bull/Domination'

Dec 13, 2023

Tinto Selvaggio writes quite hard hotwife and cuckold stories featuring Richmond, a rich older man dominating couples. "Breaking Us Both" is the first series.

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But yeah, hard cuck including bi-stuff isn't everybody's cup of tea though its very popular. From the feelings expressed by some on this thread it might not be popular here.

 

[GKeen]

Does anyone BtND 19?

 

[fantafan]

Trying to organize and complete some of the series that are posted here. I know A Young Couple's Journey (sequent to The New Tenant) by Antarctica77 Part 24 has been out since June. I believe it has been posted here but perhaps only in a now-vanished gofile. Anybody have it? Looked on Kemono, google search, search here, vipergirls, etc. Thanks in advance.

 

[polpolp]

There's a whole thread with lots of his stuff from Amazon and a bit from his Patreon at:

Thread '[Tinto Selvaggio] Hotwife/Cuckold/Bull/Domination'

Dec 13, 2023

Tinto Selvaggio writes quite hard hotwife and cuckold stories featuring Richmond, a rich older man dominating couples. "Breaking Us Both" is the first series.

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But yeah, hard cuck including bi-stuff isn't everybody's cup of tea though its very popular. From the feelings expressed by some on this thread it might not be popular here.

This story is one of the worst I've ever read. I had to force myself to finish both books. Saying that Tinto is a master at writing characters is a complete joke—the clichés are on a level I've never seen before, and the character development is utterly unrealistic.

You can't even call this hard cuckold anymore; it's inhuman cuckoldry because the level of disrespect, cruelty, and humiliation is pushed to the absolute extreme.

Let's compare it to TA: Vaughn, the MC, makes Dan look like a newborn when it comes to being a wimpy cuckold. If you're looking for every humiliating kink imaginable to inflict on your main character, look no further—Vaughn experiences all of them. By the end of the two books, he's barely even human anymore. What's even worse is that the author constantly shows us Vaughn's rebellious inner thoughts, only to have him contradict himself a second later.

Over the course of nearly 1,800 pages across both stories, he's betrayed, humiliated, and emotionally destroyed over and over again. Some scenes genuinely made me want to throw up (spoiler: he has "SISSY CUCK" written on his body while his wife, wearing their wedding dress, has "CUCK WHORE" written on hers, with the two of them being used side by side...).

Both wives start out as loving, very vanilla women, only to become cruel sluts who have absolutely no love or respect left for the MC. Of course, they both fall in love with the bull. One becomes completely submissive, while the other switches, but by the end neither of them has any real feelings left for the MC. The worst moments are when he tells them "I love you" and they either don't answer or respond with another humiliating remark.

And then there's the bull, Mr. Richmond. You thought Lester was a ridiculous character because of his almost omnipotent abilities, monstrous cock, and status as a sex god? Richmond makes Lester look ordinary. Lester doesn't have even 10% of Richmond's abilities or wealth. Richmond has every conceivable advantage: he's handsome, unbelievably rich, charismatic, much better endowed than the MC, possesses superhuman sexual prowess, and above all is a cruel sadist who enjoys destroying people purely for his own pleasure.

Finally, bisexuality is used solely as another tool to humiliate and break the MC, just like feminization and every other kink in the story. They're presented in the worst possible light, in an extremely negative way. At first glance, it might seem progressive or inclusive, but it's the exact opposite. The way these themes are introduced and used serves only to disgust the reader.

I had knots in my stomach and felt sick several times because of how inhumanly the MC is treated. The worst part is that he's been conditioned so thoroughly that, by the end, he's almost happy. There's still a tiny voice inside him questioning everything, but it's nearly been extinguished.

Yes, Tinto is a competent writer on a technical level, but his characters are so unrealistic and cartoonish that their development has neither logic nor depth. Simply humiliating and destroying the MC more and more isn't character development.

 

[RustyV]

This story is one of the worst I've ever read. I had to force myself to finish both books. Saying that Tinto is a master at writing characters is a complete joke—the clichés are on a level I've never seen before, and the character development is utterly unrealistic.

You can't even call this hard cuckold anymore; it's inhuman cuckoldry because the level of disrespect, cruelty, and humiliation is pushed to the absolute extreme.

Let's compare it to TA: Vaughn, the MC, makes Dan look like a newborn when it comes to being a wimpy cuckold. If you're looking for every humiliating kink imaginable to inflict on your main character, look no further—Vaughn experiences all of them. By the end of the two books, he's barely even human anymore. What's even worse is that the author constantly shows us Vaughn's rebellious inner thoughts, only to have him contradict himself a second later.

Over the course of nearly 1,800 pages across both stories, he's betrayed, humiliated, and emotionally destroyed over and over again. Some scenes genuinely made me want to throw up (spoiler: he has "SISSY CUCK" written on his body while his wife, wearing their wedding dress, has "CUCK WHORE" written on hers, with the two of them being used side by side...).

Both wives start out as loving, very vanilla women, only to become cruel sluts who have absolutely no love or respect left for the MC. Of course, they both fall in love with the bull. One becomes completely submissive, while the other switches, but by the end neither of them has any real feelings left for the MC. The worst moments are when he tells them "I love you" and they either don't answer or respond with another humiliating remark.

And then there's the bull, Mr. Richmond. You thought Lester was a ridiculous character because of his almost omnipotent abilities, monstrous cock, and status as a sex god? Richmond makes Lester look ordinary. Lester doesn't have even 10% of Richmond's abilities or wealth. Richmond has every conceivable advantage: he's handsome, unbelievably rich, charismatic, much better endowed than the MC, possesses superhuman sexual prowess, and above all is a cruel sadist who enjoys destroying people purely for his own pleasure.

Finally, bisexuality is used solely as another tool to humiliate and break the MC, just like feminization and every other kink in the story. They're presented in the worst possible light, in an extremely negative way. At first glance, it might seem progressive or inclusive, but it's the exact opposite. The way these themes are introduced and used serves only to disgust the reader.

I had knots in my stomach and felt sick several times because of how inhumanly the MC is treated. The worst part is that he's been conditioned so thoroughly that, by the end, he's almost happy. There's still a tiny voice inside him questioning everything, but it's nearly been extinguished.

Yes, Tinto is a competent writer on a technical level, but his characters are so unrealistic and cartoonish that their development has neither logic nor depth. Simply humiliating and destroying the MC more and more isn't character development.

What you said kind of make sense, yes. I felt the same when i first read breaking us both and when i was going through breaking us twice i thought this book will surely have at least a bittersweet ending looking at what vaughn has gone though over the two book but alas it wasn’t the case.

Coming to his bi stuff, yes it is a turn off for most of the people, and was for me also .i had to put down the book after reading that scene but later i finished the book and ending sure was aweful. Still i came to know that there is 2nd book in the series and finished it also skipping the bi part. But the thing that made these books great were escalation or better put the non linear escalation. For example most of the book if not all follow a mantra which is first husband wants it, wife do things with bull for her husband , then she experiences bull and get drunk on his dick which is kind of lame if you think of it like this.

My perception about tinto changed when i read the later works such as crave my wife which features phil as antagonish when is almost similar to any bull in current stories going around in this thread. His other works such as hotwife trainer, the coupled hotwife and hotwife switch also features different antagonist through they all are part of richmond’s world and later richmond himself make appearance in most of the books.

Tinto’s books are mostly from the perspective of husband , and very rarely from the perspective of antagonist so we mostly hear only male main characters rambling about their cuckold cravings and misses things like richmond’s perspspective of lily’s seduction .But the thing is i think ,as you said yourself, the character of richmond dont need any development as he is extemely rich, handsome , and hung as a horse .which i think in itself is great character motivation for a characterso like lily to be attracted toward his rather than typical wife getting lovestruck on ugly old poor creep of a bull we see in most of the stories.

The main usp of tinto is his world and the characters. Even though one can question development of some if not all of his characters but i think no one could argue that tinto write most distinct characters in this genre. Each of his character is unique and one could differenciate each character ,which i think all other writer misses on. Take one of the famous one, Antartica77 as an example. His character are easily comparable, husbands are similar, wives are similar, and bulls almost seems plagiarised from one story of his to another if not in their appearance then in their actions. Though no shade to Antartica77 as he also has came a long way with his current series BTND though characters still are not distinguishable.

Lastly , i think as this genre is heavily linked to kinks , his stories may not be everyone’s cup of tea. But the thing with tinto is you will find every kink related to this genre and thus every kind of characters specially bulls which other aurthors are hesitant to experiment. For example there is a richmond, the rich cruel man as a bull but also you will find finn who is a construction worker, their is also kinks available like step father which is done extremely well though it is a side arc. So according to my opinion , tinto is kind of aurthor you should check at least once and decide for yourself if he is worth it or not. I think it is worth the ROI of your time.

 

[popatlal_95]

I tried to read some of works of Tinto. Nope. Not for me.

No realistic setting. It is like how corporates take over creative liberty of directors and put things in a movie like from a list. Tinto does the same. Almost all kinks/humiliation that you can think of in literotica tags, you got it. It is just jerk off material.

I am not saying other books here are not for jerking off, but at least they are somewhat loving/realistic and people immediately point out too much extremity. Ultimately we are all here for good erotica. But personally, smut stories, created only for either jerking or for "shock value", no matter how long and how developed/unique characters are - is not for me. And judging by the critisism The Contact and TA is getting, I don't think audience of this forum will like Tinto's work.

Anyways, anyone got BtND Part 19 ? Please help and upload it. Thank you.

 

[AllEesee]

On Reddit someone mentioned "Training to Love It" - Kenny Wright / 3 parts. No toxic crazy cuck humiliation shit.
More emphasis on psyche than on sex. A kind of slow burn stories. The wife is slipping into depravity. It gets a llittle out of control. But in the end they bond stronger than before.


More of Kenny on Ocean of PDF https://oceanofpdf.com/category/authors/kenny-wright/


Spoilers
the cliché's : sad to read that, yes the other guy has a bigger dick and is more a fysical fit man, a BBC is added with even a bigger D. .She becomes total submissive when at his place. And he is not interested in the most sexy woman that like to get involved (so not realistic)...

But still, while reading I was interested in the development and started part 3 already.

 

[polpolp]

On Reddit someone mentioned "Training to Love It" - Kenny Wright / 3 parts. No toxic crazy cuck humiliation shit.
More emphasis on psyche than on sex. A kind of slow burn stories. The wife is slipping into depravity. It gets a llittle out of control. But in the end they bond stronger than before.


More of Kenny on Ocean of PDF https://oceanofpdf.com/category/authors/kenny-wright/


Spoilers
the cliché's : sad to read that, yes the other guy has a bigger dick and is more a fysical fit man, a BBC is added with even a bigger D. .She becomes total submissive when at his place. And he is not interested in the most sexy woman that like to get involved (so not realistic)...

But still, while reading I was interested in the development and started part 3 already.

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I remember this one, its a good story with a real loving wife who prefer sex with her husband above BBC or bigger cock. Many cliché but the love and complicity are here, that's the most important

 

[superhoopaus]

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[alright-alright-alright]

so now i have read chapter 8, took a couple of attempts due to angst i feel with Ray's manipulation and James weakness. I need to keep remembering James deserves what he gets somewhat.

So Jenna has definitely broken the rules 1. Ray was not allowed to come in her and 2. nothing should come between Jenna and James.
the first was self evident but the second is the gold chain she wore it to the ball with out telling husband. now the question is what James does about it. He could try giving the word and trying to end it all but with no reasoning i feel Jenna would not follow and go back to Ray ( this is my prediction for the next chapter).

If James wants to confront Jenna then he needs to lead with Ray Blackmailing him and then Ray manipulating Jenna. If he starts with the original scenario or Ray impersonating him then Jenna will be angry with James for his betrayal and lets face facts i don't think Jenna would be that upset anymore about the manipulation its led to her getting the sexual experience she has always craved even though she didn't know it.

The other thing to point out Jenna doesn't seem to realise the way she treats her husband regarding the condoms and the way she ties them off and puts them to the side is an element of humiliation and demeans him. he may get off on it , but she's cultivated that.

hard to imagine a happy ending for James in all this.

Most of the stories on here don't have happy endings. If there is it's usually an atl. ending.

One thing that thing I find amusing is that most readers comment on how weak the husbands are. But I've always been amazed about is how the readers never say anything about is why would a woman marry or stay married to a guy like that. The reality is women don't marry guys like this and if the they do the husband has to put up with looking away a lot of the time. These are the guys you hear about goin over and finding their wife's at their boyfriends house crying for her to come home.

I used to think that these stories are mostly just crazy ass fantasy stories. But then I remembered that the whole world watched as this type of thing happened in real life. I happened on a reality show , is was for a while the most popular show on TV. I mean people watched it an American gold Medalist get cucked and then they turned him into a woman. The watched as he was kicked out of his family home while his wife moved on with a black dude that was 40yrs younger. All the while making millions of dollars, he'll two of them became billionaires.

 

[CrownySuccubus]

Most of the stories on here don't have happy endings. If there is it's usually an atl. ending.

One thing that thing I find amusing is that most readers comment on how weak the husbands are. But I've always been amazed about is how the readers never say anything about is why would a woman marry or stay married to a guy like that. The reality is women don't marry guys like this and if the they do the husband has to put up with looking away a lot of the time. These are the guys you hear about goin over and finding their wife's at their boyfriends house crying for her to come home.

I used to think that these stories are mostly just crazy ass fantasy stories. But then I remembered that the whole world watched as this type of thing happened in real life. I happened on a reality show , is was for a while the most popular show on TV. I mean people watched it an American gold Medalist get cucked and then they turned him into a woman. The watched as he was kicked out of his family home while his wife moved on with a black dude that was 40yrs younger. All the while making millions of dollars, he'll two of them became billionaires.

Real life? Hardly.

Men in these stories are often superficially "weak" in ways that don't really mesh with actual survival instincts. The stories essentially jump from 0 to 60 with "If a man is willing to let his wife fuck someone else, then he's too clueless or spineless to do anything else". Too often, there's no middle ground. No hard boundaries followed by a confrontation followed by emotional triage. The only sliding scale is how oblivious the husband is versus how powerless he is, and most long form stories spend a lot of time making various forms of obliviousness turn into powerlessness (like Toxic Attraction). I also wouldn't call reality TV "Real Life".

Reality television is a highly produced, contractually negotiated, heavily edited piece of entertainment designed to maximize ratings. Comparing the motivations of billionaires operating within a highly managed media empire to the psychological realities of a standard marriage is a massive logical leap.

I'm not saying that truly, actual abused cucks don't exist. But they aren't anywhere close to as common as this genre actually portrays, because real life actually tends to have nuance.

 

[superhoopaus]

Just uploaded the Hustle chapter 2 and Window To Temptation chapter 10 - same link as before

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[alright-alright-alright]

Real life? Hardly.

Men in these stories are often superficially "weak" in ways that don't really mesh with actual survival instincts. The stories essentially jump from 0 to 60 with "If a man is willing to let his wife fuck someone else, then he's too clueless or spineless to do anything else". Too often, there's no middle ground. No hard boundaries followed by a confrontation followed by emotional triage. The only sliding scale is how oblivious the husband is versus how powerless he is, and most long form stories spend a lot of time making various forms of obliviousness turn into powerlessness (like Toxic Attraction). I also wouldn't call reality TV "Real Life".

Reality television is a highly produced, contractually negotiated, heavily edited piece of entertainment designed to maximize ratings. Comparing the motivations of billionaires operating within a highly managed media empire to the psychological realities of a standard marriage is a massive logical leap.

I'm not saying that truly, actual abused cucks don't exist. But they aren't anywhere close to as common as this genre actually portrays, because real life actually tends to have nuance.

I think you must have misunderstood what i meant. Is most women wouldn't marry a guy that would be a cuckold. I was ment that when people always read these stories they always say in real life a man wouldn't let that happen, I was saying that nobody bring up the fact that most women wouldn't be with these type of guys. Then about the other, It did happen on a TV show, it was Bruce Jenner. That show and what it brought to the Kardashians turn two of them into billionaires and the rest are all worth millions. So I don't know what your talking about not being "real life", but when sports illustrated gives you the woman of the year award the story tends to hold weight. The facts are there all the other is bullshit but you can see for yourselves how they are living now. The whole world watched their reality show and in the last couple seasons people watched and cheered the mom on as she started seeing and going out with other men out in public. She even brought in and went out with the guy she cheated on her first husband with. So some of these crazy stories you believe are to outlandish to be true one of the craziest happened on television.

 

[CrownySuccubus]

I think you must have misunderstood what i meant. Is most women wouldn't marry a guy that would be a cuckold. I was ment that when people always read these stories they always say in real life a man wouldn't let that happen, I was saying that nobody bring up the fact that most women wouldn't be with these type of guys. Then about the other, It did happen on a TV show, it was Bruce Jenner. That show and what it brought to the Kardashians turn two of them into billionaires and the rest are all worth millions. So I don't know what your talking about not being "real life", but when sports illustrated gives you the woman of the year award the story tends to hold weight. The facts are there all the other is bullshit but you can see for yourselves how they are living now. The whole world watched their reality show and in the last couple seasons people watched and cheered the mom on as she started seeing and going out with other men out in public. She even brought in and went out with the guy she cheated on her first husband with. So some of these crazy stories you believe are to outlandish to be true one of the craziest happened on television.

No, I understood what you meant, and I stand by what I said about the lack of nuance.

Arguing that women generally would not marry men who are into cuckolding does not really add up when consensual nonmonogamy, swinging, hotwifing, and open marriages (the scenarios that like 90% of all cuckold stories start with) all exist in real life. There are obviously women who marry men who are comfortable with them having other male partners. The difference is that many cuckold stories are written specifically so that this arrangement takes the worst possible turn for the sake of drama. A consensual arrangement becomes increasingly unequal, boundaries get ignored, the husband becomes humiliated or marginalized, and eventually the original agreement is being used against him. That's a genre convention. In real relationships where consensual nonmonogamy actually works, people usually establish boundaries, communicate, renegotiate those boundaries when necessary, and otherwise go on living their lives.

That's the nuance I'm talking about. You're confusing "this can happen" with "this is representative of what normally happens."

And the Kardashian example does not really help your argument. I'm not saying none of the events shown on reality TV actually happened. I'm saying reality TV is entertainment. It deliberately cultivates the most dramatic behavior because that's what gives people a reason to watch. You yourself are basically admitting this when you point out that "people watched and cheered." You're describing a spectacle and then treating the fact that the spectacle happened as evidence that it represents ordinary relationships.

Likewise, the fact that some spectacularly fucked up nonmonogamous relationship has existed somewhere does not mean cuckold fiction accurately represents what women or couples generally do in those arrangements.

 

[makoto shishio]

I understand the things television promotes. To my eyes, the US is a pretty crazy place—I’m from Andaraí, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil—a place with high rates of murders driven by breakups, jealousy, and infidelity, leaving families destroyed. I get the stories where a husband has a trophy wife. That’s why I like Eddie_Wilder—the blonde in disguise who took a while to have her first sexual encounter (you’re married, 20 years in, have kids, and suddenly you go crazy and lose all self-respect—at home, in the bedroom, at work, among friends—yet you think it’s all cool and normal). I once spoke to Moises about one of his 3D works and mentioned that, back in Rio, the guy would have ended up dead in a ditch. I argued that Daniel, being American, could get a gun, kill Tom, and move to Brazil, getting away with it scot-free. Daniel did run someone over, but it wasn't children or a racially motivated act; it was alcohol-related—he was driving drunk—and the family ended up being blackmailed. There are women who cheat, sure, but they don't do it right in front of their husbands; they keep the guy in the dark.

 

[rain.makerok2da]

Undercover Blonde 21 By Eddie Wilder, anyone pls??